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I once bought Shevchenko and he was absolute beans so I sold or traded him at the next opportunity. Recoba is in my ML and he's a tiger down the left midfield, good crosser with tons of assists and gets a few goals. I think sometimes it comes down to your tactics, some players are bobbins, but...

Fair enuffski, but the S controller is a massive improvement. Just had a lunchtime PES3 session with the work lads, the topic of controllers reared it's head, the concensus is, best to worst; #1 Nintendo Wavebird #2 Xbox S #3 Dualshock 2.

Surely they'll be no slowdown on the Xbox, if it prevails in PES4 I think they'll be a lot of PS2 owners eating their words.

Is this because you have a PC, is this not the console zone? Again somebody talking about the old Xbox controller that has been phased out. The 'not even new anymore' S controller is everything the original isn't.

Doesn't anybody see the potential in the triggers of the S controller instead of just dissing them? They could be used to guage dribble speed, thereby doing what :R2: & :R1: & possibly :L1: do for control of speed, but it could be more progressive. What about using triggers for strength of...

Any comments? Yeh, wrong thread. The clue is in the thread title.

I am prepared to get a PS2-Xbox adapter but will wait to see how the S controller fairs. Surely the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Where are these adapters available & how much?

I've got the latest official Xbox mag here, the one with Sudeki on the front. There's no mention of Pro Evo at all, they've mentioned rumours of Xbox live in previous issues but nowt's been confirmed.

I'm gonna mention a few games here, Project Gotham Racing 2, Moto GP 2, Toca Race Driver 2, Full Spectrum Warrior, Outrun 2, Ninja Gaiden, Top Spin, KOTOR, etc. Can you see a FPS, RTS or PC conversion between these AAA titles. The reason Xbox does get the odd PC conversion is cos it's the only...

Are you sure about this? Most of the decent games for PS2, GTA, PES, etc. come to Xbox, + Xboxxers get more. Halo 2, Doom 3, Half-Life 2 for a start, PS2 wouldn't even handle the title screen of Halo 2. The graphics are much better, true, but you forget about faster loading times, better...

Hitman, I was just referring to the PS2 titles, but like you say the obvious leap was ISS on PS1 and PES on PS2. Almost quantum like you might say. Imagine creating a player based on Sam Beckett and blah, blah.......

The hint is in the title, it's an Evolution. Each new version is evolving, taking already perfect gameplay and tweaking bits, adding licenses, etc. Don't expect massive differences with every version, Pro Revolution Soccer doesn't quite go. For me the biggest difference came between PES1 &...

Does anybody know if the transfer and salary points system is finally becoming a cash system? I bet it doesn't cos konami won't be arsed about converting to different currencies, although they could tie that in to what language you choose at the start like PES3. It just makes it that bit more...

Have a look for yoself old love. It used to be 22/10/04 same as PS2, but just recently has changed. I've got both consoles but want it for Xbox, don't know if I can wait 3 weeks, unless it's for a very good reason. Somebody must know what the deal is.

Has anyone noticed on play.com that the Xbox release date for PES4 is now 12/11/04? Anyone know why? Is it possibly to implement Xbox live, or is it just to make just PS2 owners feel smug for 3 weeks?

I've found volleying works if you do a deep cross in the box & head it back across, sometimes you'll have a striker positioned to volley, but it mostly ends up being a flying side volley. I've scored a couple of overheads on PES3 but it is a rare gem indeed.

What's the big deal about the PS2 controller? The Xbox S controller just sits so right in the palm of your hand, and the box sticks piss on the PS2 analogues, they're a bit firmer, better buttons, better weight, yada yada.

I own both PS2 and Xbox, but bought PS2 first. I was always anti-Xbox until a friend introduced me to Halo. The problem with people who only own PS2's, they know their machine is inferior & get proper defensive about it, that's how I felt. I don't want to hear all that 'the best games come...

We have a PS2 bought by work for our pleasure so I recently introduced PES3 to my workplace for lunchtime sessions. Most of them are FIFA nobs so I figured they could do with some education. They've all been blown away by how better PES3 is and of course they all played shit cos they weren't...

Fair enough, the old xbox controller was beans, you needed wookie type paws to play with it, but the s controller is tons better. You end up with claws like an arthritic granny on the PS2 controller, but the box one feels comfortable for hours. I reckon the triggers will be well suited to...