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Doesnt this show that although pes3 is good, theres a lot more work needed in the creation of pes4! I definetly agree with all those ideas expecially the crowd! this year the crowd animation is still quite poor and the chanting needs more realism! thanks for the tips!

I've chatted to some people about knew ideas for pes4 and would like to know if pes fans out there have any?

Yeah! I think the whole idea of creating is great and changing flags would be another good idea on a way to customising your own team! It really would be good to completly edit a personal team!

I agree with you freelancer 2k3 that editing makes pes what it is and that we need to keep the kit editing. we should get the sponsers but be capable of transfering them to other teams eg/ changing the sponser of ac milan to vodaphone and man unts to opal ect.

EA Sports need to make an international cup and made a BIG mistake scrapping it from fifa 2004! give them their dues they have got 18 different league cups including sweedish, norweigen, english, scottish, french, german, spanish ect.

The PC version proved to be crap but i was well impressed by the console version. (expecially the new in-depth career mode and the opitunity to play as lower divisions eg/ yeovil, hartlepool ect.). The thing which worries me is if EA Sports keeps on improving so rapidly will it leap-frog konami...

i am a fan of pes but feel fifa has excelled itself to be the better football game. what do you think!

if you looked at the screen and pessed square you'd be able to shoot