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He's probably playing the French version. That version is much faster than the official version. In the official version the speed is just perfect imho.

Now that I have the official game, it is without a doubt that the French version was a beta. Passing in the official version is much slower, the ball names are correct (in the French game even some reebok balls were named teamgeist). Passing in the French version was like a game of pinball...

I could have lived with the "no crowd because of the slowdown" argument if that meant that there were no more slowdown issues. However, when i play on 60hz i still have as much slowdown as in PES4 and on 50hz i still have slowdown sometimes with corners and free kicks. So the slowdown...

Well it's true. Even on 5* de AI doesn't score normal gameplay goals very often. Just let the computer pass the ball around without attacking them and see that they hardly ever score. You see strikers like Ronaldo, Shevchenko Henry and so on miss easy chances. The only way that the computer...

It's not the amount of development where this topic is about. It's the age that players stop developing at all. And that age is always for every game the same. The ratio behind this topic is, that you can decide if you want to buy Rooney at 21 (who hasnt developed greatly cause com-teams...

So what you're saying is that development curves are at random? Otherwis, you're point doesn't make sense. Ofcourse, players don't develop when they are injured, or when you don't play them, and ofcourse players develop quicker when they score or get an award, but the age they stop developing is...

Martins stops developing at 22.

This is not exactly true. The red, orange, green, blue and black arrows have nothing to do with condition, but with form. If it's red, a player has great form, if it's blue a player is out of form. Condition is measured with the green line. Regulate condition only has effect on this green...

Shinji Ono stops developing at 26.

Well, lets's see how it goes. If it gets polluted, we could filter it and end up with a comprehensive list.

Inspite of it maybe time consuming ;) i posted a thread like this. So let's see if it works.

Hi, Following the topic "with the com team not developing players..." it maybe a good idea to post players here with the age they stop developing. In this way people can make up their mind if it is useful to buy a player in let's say the 3rd ML season, looking at his stats and his number of...

The problem would be solved partially if it would be possible to look at the development sheet before you buy a player rather than to find out that you payed a lot of money for a player that has just stopped developing. Maybe it's an idea to start a topic where there is a list of players and...

Well, if that is throug, that would be good news then. But howcome I bought Rooney at 21 as a very mediocre player? Didn't he play that much? Cause at 22 he stops developing and now he's quite useless. Are the developmentsheets at random as you start a new ML? That's not possible is it?

Neither did Konami

I know what you mean exactly. I like to play that way either. And then when the glory days of the superstars are over you would like to play with their successors. And that is just not possible, because when you were enjoying the fantastich skills of Adriano, Ronaldo and so on, the talents of...

Nice, but that's not the point. The point is that it seems that after a while the top players are too old to be top players (even if you don't buy them, but let them play in their original team) and the "new" top players, must be developed from the beginning otherwise it's too late. Why doesn't...

which stadium in which game is this? Cause i havent seen any red goal nets in pes4.

Hi, It seems obvious that the com-team doesn't develop any players. So if you buy rooney at 22 you will get a shit-player who cannot be developed anymore. So if you have for example adriano, ronaldo and ronaldinho up front and they start to get a little too old, you cannot buy a decent...

Well he's 22 now and he stops developing. That's a shame. You can't see a develppment sheet before buying a player so now i payed a lot of points for a mediocre striker. This sucks.