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lol. very good Stringer. How does it? It looks like he's given in and left the site, so that's something to be thankful for.

pretty much nailed it on the head there Shaun. A very honest and unbiased assessment. I agree, the argument about which is better could go on for ever. To put it in a broad sense, the thing I have always loved about PES is that every game is unique and you have to use your initiative. Fifa...

you don't think most pes fans are aware that the goalkeepers are liabilities half the time? Still, Fifa 10's keepers can be very dodgy as well. Fact. Again, yes we are aware about the animations when players are running with the ball, but: a) it hardly takes anything out of the game for me, its...

There time was up come 2000, and it was for seven more years after that. It's only in the past few years that they have managed to make a relatively decent football game. The reason it's still here is because rumour has it EA sports have a bit of money so they can keep churning out any games...

Cheers mate. I'm sure these things have been said before and will be said again, but i thought i'd have a little rant about it anyway.lol

Thats not a bad idea. Don't know how popular it would be though? Might get a bit tedious.

no. if it was me (and most here) it'll be like this: OP: PES is looking alot better this year, especially after playing the WE demo: Someone else: Actually i don't like the animations. OP: yeh fair enough, i agree. they haven't improved enough and there not as good as Fifa's. Even...

LOL. i shouldn't laugh mate, but i did. i love your script, i can imagine the scenario now! But like you said, it’s stupid. You have another example there of a very 'intelligent' conversation with a bunch of stubborn, obnoxious twats. It’s like you can't even mention Pes, whereas most people...

mate thats ridiculous. no one here is saying that the new Pes is god like. The new winning demo is really good, but far from perfect. Just like with fifa, many will say its awesome, and i'm sure it is very good, but i can confidently say that that's far from perfect as well.

Its laughable really that there are people who feel the need to come on these forums and knock pes, say its useless, and that you’re an idiot if you buy it and don’t by Fifa. Some of these people haven’t even tried one of the PES demos released! (that’s intelligent) I’ve noticed that the...

na. wat i mean is how can you be on this forum (constantly from the looks of it) and keep judging Pes when you havent played the demo? and then you get arsey with someone by saying "have you even played fifa 10?" .thats stupid and hypcritical man.

dude you mentioned earlier in this thread that you aint even played pes 2010, let alone the winning demo.

I know what you mean, and your kinda right. But there are a quite a few people on pes forums like this, (and fifa i presume) who don't always defend the product and put forward their views constructively. But then there are so many people from the looks of things that JUST come on these pes...

you put forward a fantastic argument. so many valid, and intelligent comments. can't debate it really. You have convinced me, and from the sounds of it Fifa is miles better than Pro.

i keep hearing people say about all these bugs (MM-which ruins a 1 player experience) and that after a week itll get boring, and every team starts feeling the the same. I know some big fifa fans will say its not true, but i'm not going to take the risk. I love pes, and i don't think i'm...

what bugs are these?? i was considering getting fifa tomo, then pes when it comes out.

This is a hands on first impression by MSN of the two games at the Tokyo Game Show 09. quite an interesting insight into both games, and they put Pes just over Fifa. http://events.uk.msn.com/tech/tokyogameshow/article.aspx?cp-documentid=150012951

hope i haven't annoyed too many people. maybe. but as long as people view this thread (let alone post on it), hopefully people might just begin to tone down the usage of the word.

it appears not many others find the over use of these words annoying. anyway. jovan, all three words are interlinked, and delusional derives from the other two words. They mean similar things when used correctly in a sentence, and deluded doesn't simply mean dissapointed at all. for me it's...