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I think this thread is bang on the button. I am a PES fan boy, as we all are, I have bought every single PES, there has always been something special about pes, it's so playable, nothing beats 4 people playing at once, it's the only game i really play now and the only reason i buy consoles...

Someone else also posted this email response i think, so it's probably just a standard cut and paste reply type thing. Ie they dont give a sh1t. Why do you say it's some bullshit with Microsoft? To me it just seems like some numpty forgot to include it on the xbox 360 as Konami don't seem to...

I am just going to have to play shitty FIFA now! Also i have heard the new Call of Duty MW3 game is split-screen online on the XBOX360, even though i don't like these games and have only really ever played PES, seems i will have to try and get used to them. I feel sorry for people who have...

I shall not be buying this game now that it has been confirmed by someone else on here that the 2vs2 online option on the XBOX360 will not be included. I find the fact this is on the PS3 and PC a serious piss take! In my opinion this game is much much better 2vs2 especially last years edition...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTHCwU9rUdY Have a look at the argument i'm having on the "PES 2012 Negativity thread" about close control dribbling and crossing at full speed, i've banged on a bit now but this guy is adamant that i'm totally wrong.

I don't want to swear, but, that is a FUCKING DISGRACE !! "internal decisions" WTF! Why can't they patch it?

Abu97, one mans pace is another mans slow. I wasn't saying players can't deliver accurate crosses when they are running at "top speed" i was saying it is very very difficult and very few players can do this consistently, like in PES, unless their top speed happens to be very slow. If you can...

Some funny sh1t on here. Nice bit of debate. Do people not think it is a piss take Konami have forgot to add 2vs2 online on the XBOX360 and it is there on the PS3 and PC? Even if you will never use it? It's things like this that piss me off the most. Just makes no sense why it isn't there...

Why are a lot of the best crossers also very slow? Eg best in recent years is Beckham, very slow. In the premiership people like Larsson, Brunt, Adam etc are all good crossers but they are all also slow. Might just be coincidence. Best players in the premiership, Nani, Bale and players like...

Sabatasso Then i would think you are either: A. A footballer, should be a footballer, playing at the highest level. B. Incredibly slow. C. Deluded and/or a liar. I'm not just talking about bones, i mean ligaments, tendons, muscle pulls/tears whatever. Obviously you are far more likely to...

No need to go calling names now is there? Whats the point of getting all lippy on the internet? You think i'd just let you call me a dick to my face? Anyway fighting on the internet is like....... So your opinion is fact and no one is allowed to disagree with you? Lets see if it goes down to...

I agree that better commentary, presentation, statistics etc would improve the game but i think they are all massively secondary to the GAMEPLAY. I couldn't actually really care less about any of them. To me FIFA always had these parts of the game better but the actual gameplay of FIFA always...

True, i need to give FIFA more time, i will get used to it eventually.

If i was a billionaire like Abramovich i could make the greatest game of all time. I would just poach a few of PES's key coders and then give them some proper instructions for once. Would be quite fun. Shame all these billionaires are weirdos. Is it that hard to put a system in were accuracy...

FIFA gets better. PES gets worse. Even the biggest of us PES fan boys must accept that. What happens once FIFA sorts its detection system out properly and its shooting out? Whilst PES makes it shooting into an abomination! Evolve or die! Therefore PES deserves to DIE! To anyone who plays...

Can people please tweet that @JonMurphy_PES guy on twitter about the XBOX360 version not having 2vs2 online. Even if you don't have a 360 and it doesn't affect you. It's a big piss take it's not there even if it doesn't affect people who don't use it. [use #pesQs in tweet] Cheers

Btw you all know PES nearly always has something wrong with it. It is such a great game they usually get away with it. But they really do take the piss now. They could quite easily make a 10/10 masterpiece but for some reason they have to bugger something up every year. In my opinion FIFA has...

Can people please tweet that @JonMurphy_PES guy on twitter about the XBOX360 version not having 2vs2 online. Even if you don't have a 360 and it doesn't affect you. It's a big piss take it's not there even if it doesn't affect people who don't use it. [use #pesQs in tweet] I can't really get...

Very few players in the world can dribble fast and keep the ball close. The best two obviously being Messi and Ronaldo. Ronaldo is faster with ball, Messi has better close control. But they still dribble too well in the game, it's fun yes, but not realistic. I think the dribbling was actually a...

If you haven't bought PES yet this year don't. At least wait a few weeks until it inevitably falls in price because no one is buying it. I predict in the UK in two weeks it will drop to around £20 then maybe to about £18 in another four weeks. PES 2012 on the XBOX 360 doesn't have 2vs2 online...