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I regret getting a 360 instead of a PS3, among other things, the PS3 doesn't have a 100% failure rate, has better graphics and as mentioned has much better editing features for PES. But yeah, unfortunately I'll be getting the 360 version.

lol... Bring a FIFA player into Pro Evo 09, where if you're an idiot who holds down the a button constantly and just hoofs it up the pitch so much Graham Taylor would probably shed tears of joy you find your players well out of position and the game's defenders aren't scripted to cheat to stop...

zomg, embedding skills. But anyway. Dude, you complain about CPU interference in PES, and therefore it boggles the mind that you'd prefer FIFA for that reason. Everything in FIFA is CPU cheating. In FIFA '06, if you go up 2 or 3-0, the opposition forwards become faster than your defenders...

Don't kid yourself, please. I play FIFA 08 with manual short and long passing and manual crosses, the direction and power are still somewhat assisted to find a teammate. It's more manual than assisted, but it's still not fully user-controlled. My passes find their mark far too often for that...

lol... 'don't respond.' Your ideal thread, one in which you can troll to your heart's content with nobody to correct you. PES takes time and thought to get good at. Even FIFA has a learning curve. I always start out on semi-assisted and as I improve switch to fully manual, which offers...

Yeah I know, at one point most of the US national team was from St. Louis. Really a shame. :( Maybe you can get in on the next round of expansions though, according to rumours Montreal is essentially in for sure by 2014, and hopefully you guys can get in at the same time.

lol... classic. The flamer's last resort. The last card has finally been played. This argument has played itself out. There's nothing left to say on either side. I bid you farerelativelydecently (I made that word up, bitches).

Just saw you're from St. Louis... I was hoping you guys would get one of the MLS teams for 2012 but instead they went with Portland because they want Seattle to have a rival...? :unsure: ignoring that St. Louis is, like, THE home of football in the US. oh well. Should have been St. Louis and...

Actually, it does. You'll never listen to a word I say because you're not interested in the factual or anything even approaching the realm of objectivity. Someone else said it's shit, so it is. So far as I can see, that's your thought process.

Um, I play the game. I have my complaints. I let Konami know about them. I don't need other people to make up my mind for me, thanks. I don't like PES out of brand loyalty or because of it's rep. I'd been hearing the hype for years about the superior gameplay but only started playing it a...

Tech Skill... you remind me of Radiohead fans. These kids worship whatever's written on pitchfork media and snobby indie mags and whatever they say is the law. They refuse to open their ears and actually try listening to music instead of just listening to what's supposed to be good and hip and...

Nice, carrying on with the ad hominem arguments without offering a shred of reasoning to back yourself up. I can't believe I'm in a friggin flame war over a video game. This is how boring my job is. And still three hours to go til I get to go home. Such fun. Anyway. One of the things I...

Aaaah, so now the threshold has been pushed back even further. It's not just prior to Teamvision, now it's before PES 4? I would have been, umm... 13 when that was released. My, they've been shit for quite a long time. My gap is from ISS 64 to PES 5, so I suppose I'm unworthy. I'd better go...

^Yeah, seen that already, but I'm hoping there will be more teams from more of the smaller leagues, like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Romania, Ukraine, Serbia & Montenegro, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Norway, Croatia, as well as some of the teams from the really small leagues that are participating...

*steps off soapbox* I really hope there are more licensed teams from the more 'minor' european leagues, that's one thing I really wanted to see. My hopes soared through the roof when I saw the list on wiki but it's fake, again.

lol yep, I own ISS 64, great game and has 360 degree movement and passing. Many of the 'innovations' FIFA has made these last two years can be found in ISS 64.

1) Ah, so you're one of THOSE. You're the kind I hate playing against online. On FIFA, I bet you hold down the A and sprint buttons constantly while your opponent has the ball, and when you have it, you either constantly play through balls or just make huge, unstoppable 100-yard runs down the...

So far as I understand it, it's a form of AI to attempt to stop the user from repeatedly using the same tactics and/or tricks over and over again to beat the computer, as well as AI in which teammates react to each other, moving into space, making runs, closing down, covering for each other...

Um, yes. This is what we smart kids do. Make a statement and back it up with reasons. Relatively simple concept. I'm interested to hear what massive AI flaws you see in the current generation of PES. I'm not like most 'zomfg pes roolz fifa sux LOL' n00bs you meet on these kind of forums. I...

Dude, anyone can toss out conclusions like that. What do you find so awful about the Teamvision generation of PES games?