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*Better collision engine *Less awful off-the-ball movement *more varied shots and finishing *Take the emphasis off ridiculous skill runs that are far too easy *enable more varied passing (perhaps through better off the ball) *Force stamina to be more influential to stop people...

Well this is the year they moved Seabass to a more 'executive' position isn't it? Sounds like he has been holding the series back for the past 4 or 5 years - this new producer knows what's up.

Surprised to see you all so negative about it tbh. I for one think the gameplay is far better than that of FIFA 12, and much much better than PES 2012. What gives?

Yeah.. Me neither at all..... Although this does happen in FIFA a lot, perhaps he got his wires crossed?

Just as bad as tHe idiotic FIFA fanboys who insult PES, just because they prefer FIFA. I do actually agree that FIFA will most likely be a retouch of FIFA 10-12, and that I don't really enjoy FIFA's style of play - but there are ways of saying things that don't mean you come across as a...

No it definitely is. Same with players turning speeds I guess (which I havent had a problem with at all...)

Are you really criticising the player ratings in a demo that has come out three months before release? :rolleyes:

Well I am in Division 1 and have played hundreds of games, and that simply isn't true - the AI players are ridiculously easy to mark, and even if your opponent tries to send them on runs, they just go in a straight line and continue to run even after being well offside. I haven't played this...

Why do you guys keep on bringing up the runs in FIFA, saying they are good? THey are awful. Players literally only run in a straight line ahead of you.. PES 2013's off the ball movement is much better. Just hold the ball up and see the many varied options the AI creates for you through the...

Really? For me the AI is one of the best things about the demo. Multiple players off the ball are constantly making runs and switching position to provide solid options. I just wish the button to make a player go on a run wasn't the impossible-to-click-quickly R3 button...

I don't get the people that are being down about this game. For me, it is the first time I have felt this good about a football game in YEARS. I have spent about 5 hours playing the demo because it is just outright fun. I'm just praying Konami don't ruin it in the time they have before...

Agreed. I used Walcott up front against Germany, and if anything his pace was overpowered.....

Completely agreed. I am very, very excited. Looks like I will be coming home to PES after a good 4 years :) :)

Umm the shooting in FIFA 11 and FIFA 12 is pretty much identical. Speaking as someone who has played a LOT of FIFA 12 (I'm in Division 1), the whole game is way too formulaic, and attacking moves are generally the same.

Thanks. I'll give that a shot. Didn't realise it was actually a bug. That is insane that it found its way into the final release!

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I am Arsenal (North London) and started in some weird second division, with WE United etc etc in it. ??

Liking PES 2012 a fair bit, but having a fair bit of trouble dribbling. It seems like whoever I am dribbling with tends to stumble and trip over themselves while I am sprinting, and it happens a LOT and whoever I am using. What is up with it???? I made a Youtube video, any of you have ANY...

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Contemplating the switch back to PES as I love the demo, but is there going to be clubs? Anything similar??