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Sometimes I use Fabregas (now trained up and immense) as a support striker because his passing is sublime... I normally play Bojinov and Baumjohann up front, with Bojinov threading through the killer balls, and that works fine too. Spain have some good passers, Xavi and Exteberria (sp?)...

I've done something that sounds like that with Cissé. It was just a mixture of poor control and a 180 degree turn!!

I haven't read the whole thread, but I think most people are being too optmistic! I agree with better crowd effects (chanting, graphics, the lot). Great idea!! Would make it a little less monotonous when you've got dull game after game...

I've bought him from the PES shop but he's nowhere to be seen on ML negotiations... have I missed something out? Same for Robinho/Raddhina.

I play Reyes at Offensive Midfield already ;)

Of course!! He'll take Reyes' place, he's a big old 23-year-old now, classy as he is. Actually, I was thinking about doing a 6* ML (you lot have convinced me :p), I'm only 4* now.

Oh, yes, that's what I meant, sorry :) Wow, thanks a lot. I'll have a look at him now, actually.

Oh, awesome! How old's he? And if I buy him now (3rd season I believe) from PES shop, will he go straight into my ML?

What's his name on it? Adu?! Never seen him!

Just like real football?! If the best team won every game it'd take all the greatness out the game anyway, just like if the worst team lost every game, and the mid-table teams drew 0-0 every time. That's what makes footy, and Pro Evo 4, great. Norwich would never have beaten Man Utd 2-0...

I played a blinder with Ronaldinho and got 8.5, he was playing OMF and scored 2 goals, set up 2... But he took the opposition apart completely, he played the *perfect* game, but didn't even get a 9...

Bojinov of Lecce (18) is a class act...he's now 20 for me and has: Attack 87 Defence 47 Balance 84 Stamina 83 Top Speed 81 Acceleration 87 Response 80 Dribble acc. 90 Dribble sp. 81 S-pass acc. 88 S-pass sp. 80 L-pass acc. 85 L-pass sp. 77 Shot acc. 86 Power 84 Shot tech. 95...