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to me it feels worse than 2011 i hope this is because its raw 2011 brought me back to PES series hope 2012 is even better (not worse :( )

if u can will explain how

feel like u cant shoot with any power

http://www.konami.com/games/pes2012

i like it better than tha ones w/ messi

thx.. can i upload it from my pc , to xbox when 2012 comes out

also to/from any format (ps, xbox, pc) like u could upload it to a folder online simple enough

na man i love pes11.. problem is i just got it after playing fifa all year cuz pes09 sucked,,, so its probly to late if they didnt address these issues anyway but i thought it couldnt hurt

well pes11 is tha most fun soccer game ive played (since the old good days of winning eleven at least)... so much better than 2009 the last one i owned and unbelievably more fun than fifa11... so many more unique ways to score......... at the same time, i think theres SO much room for...

defending.. u just run and try to cross the path, tha defend button doesnt let u step into the ball like fifa 11 offsides way too often all the menus after u click 'next day' in master league.. like the tactics/line up for the opposition... too many clicks and screens between games

u mean they cant just use pes as the game engine?

an adomination? it would be the best management sim except on gameday u control the team and play pes.. it would be as complete a soccer game as we could have as far as i know.. and imagine how it would eclipse fifa.. the management in fm is addictively good, if youve played it u know.. sigames...

u would automatically get the fans and consumers of football manager, and the rest of the soccer community would be amazed and continue to buy it every year after being exposed to it

what an incredible game that would be