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You absolutely suuuuuure that they're not "re-gens" of the fake players in the fake d2/PES league?

Well, there may be Shimizu and Kaiser. You just ain't seen 'em yet. :) Who are they new players? Are you talking about the ML originals?

No, it's not random, it's the likes of Shimizu, Kaiser and Schwartz that are the fake players that turn up. Yes they're made up, but they're not unique. I think some of the D2/PES lge players also turn up. I mentioned PES being archaic in the demo discussion thread - and this is one of the...

I think it's stupid. A youth system is good, but could they not put some sort of random generator system into the game? ie, it would create a completely random unique youngster. I think it's ridiculous when you've got a 17yr old Del Piero in your youth team.... and he still looks 35! It's...

Yeah, I meant FL. Basically they populate the youth teams with players like Shimizu, and also real players (with fake young ages) that aren't assigned to a club. Then when players retire, they can come back as a 17 year old. It's fucking stupid! Youngsters should be randomly generate, even Fifa...

777, can you please tell me if they've still got retired/unattached players as fake youngsters in the youth team? I always hated that.

It's about 35/40 quid for a new one, so if this is more cost effective and you're capable of doing it, you could give it a go. Not something that I'd ever try to do though. I could do with a new controller to be honest, the sticks are a bit loose. I bought one a while back from one of...

Does it still have stupid made up player names like SKYWITZLOVIC? Does it still have stupid retired players in the youth team? Does it still have the likes of stupid Shimizu, and stupid Kaiser in the stupid youth team?

There is the issue of licenses. In today's markets, any new Football game developer isn't gonna get anywhere without them. 2k Sports are good at what they do, it's a shame they've not entered the market. Like yourself, I'm option 4, though up until now, I've always been a PES man. Well.... I...

At the moment, I'm swaying towards Fifa 13, if I WAS to get a football game this year. This would be the first Fifa I've bought for over 10 years. PES just feels so wooden and archaic now.

:laugh: PES is the most frustrating game I have EVER played! If we're comparing the games to women, PES is like a tired cougar. You still probably would. She still looks decent, but she's well past her best and very rusty in the sack. Also, she'd be the type to "take you half the way...

Oh... maybe... I dunno. They weren't licensed in Fifa 09 I don't think.

They haven't had the Napoli license for a while.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/09/13/tokyo-jungle-review Tokyo Jungle gets a good review. :huh:

Gotze is clearly not pleased! Funny that you mentioned you're finding it harder than Fifa 12, my brother is finding the same, and he's pretty good at the game, in fact, when he used to play it a LOT (he plays it less now) he was no.1 in the UK! That was on either Fifa 09 or Fifa 10.

I noticed that if I put Milner at CF, and Tevez at CM, they have the same ratings to their natural position. What's up with that?

I'm not sure. Really liked RE4, but RE5 didn't do it for me. Didn't even bother completing it.

Crimson is ok, but nothing beats the standard theme IMO. Not keen on any of the elite themes to be honest.

PS3 updateds are usually on Wednesdays in the UK. Is the demo being released early?

Anyone else finding it a lot easier to gain Cop points than Triad points? Massive fan. There is one song on that station by Killswitch Engage (?). Nice intro, but then they ruin it with the rest of the song.