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You mustn't support them that much, you don't even want to mention their name. :laugh: Playing as Bolton seems to give me a boost. I have more determination to win with them.

How is playing in the French league different? AI can't be that different really. My quibble about Bolton is a fairly valid one for me. It's not a deal breaker, but I like playing as Bolton in PES games. I've always done an ML with them, ever since they were introduced to PES, plus I tend to...

I hated the first 2012 demo last season, but liked the 2nd one. I didn't play the full game for very long before gettting annoyed, but who's to say I won't change my mind over 2013 when the next demo comes around? Maybe I would have liked it more if Sminky and Mak didn't big it up as the 2nd...

I loved PES 5 from what I remember. :D Though, the blatant scripting did bring me close to tears of frustration at one point. Was having one of "those games", where I was being cheated out of everything. Had a chance to equalise right at the death, a chance that even David Ngog would have...

Personally, shaun, I can see very few improvements on last year. As far as I'm concerned, there are no beautiful positives, and it's only marginally better (or to put it a better way - less shit) than the last game. When playing the demo, I just didn't enjoy it, didn't raise a smile at all. I've...

Yes I played on manual and it still happens. The manual/auto settings only cover the passing from what I've noticed. Anyway, my points still stand. If you play a shooter (different genre obviously but still relevant), you can have fully manual aiming, or auto-aiming.... but you still have full...

Played 5 games or so. The king is NOT back in my opinion. Still the same problems as last year, but now it looks prettier and the shooting is more powerful. I keep mentioning the pre-determined runs that players make onto passes, this includes defenders trying to intercept passes played...

Aye. That's a problem with PES, the more time you spend with it, the more of its horrible flaws you notice.

Downloading as we speak. But Sminky & Mak both love it?? Consider me optimistic. Having said that, I quite liked the 2nd demo last season, but hated the full game. As long as they revert back to the 2011 ML. 2012 was crap beyond all belief. Player development/training was completely cocked...

So basically, you're saying that it's crap if you don't play manual? This is a sign of a badly programmed game. It should be fun, challenging and interesting to play right out of the box. You shouldn't have to spend 30mins before you even get started altering crap like game speed, control...

You've obviously gone too senile to realise that it was a reference to you complaining about my moaning. In case you haven't noticed, they're about 8 hours ahead in Japan. Are you going to email Sony if they don't update the store by 3.30pm? :lol:

Sminky, if you do any moaning from now on, I'm going to do my best to point this out, as you seem to do every time I have a complaint against something (unless you agree with my complaints of course.... :hmm:). There is nothing ironic about it. Konami don't update the store, Sony do...

It's always been that way, Smink. Stop moaning, you're internet is pretty quick anyway! It'll take me hours at my connection speed!

They don't usually update the store until about 4/5pm ish.

Nah, not really. I've kinda moved on now after the shambles of 2012. If 2013 is more of the same, I will greet it with "meh".

I'm gonna give it a go, but in my heart of hearts, I know it'll be no different than 2012.

I wasn't fond of the ending (yes, I'm being "miserable" again):

Will there be a demo?

I don't think there's a movie. You tend to see a few of these live action trailers these days - I think ACIII had one too.

Exactly! When has a GTA game ever had top of the line graphics? Even LA Noire and RDR's graphics weren't the greatest compared to other games, but they still looked fantastic in their own way.