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250 improvements according to what fans want, wow:shocking: was it that bad. mostly when we PES fans make a list of what we want to improve the game we don't pass the 20 points mark because our game isn't that far of course.:rolleyes: so now you want us to like FIFA games. that's gonna be hard...

L.o.l.:lol: Chinaman i've seen alot of FIFA fans on this site but u most be the number one FIFA fan here at the moment and the passion with which you defend FIFA is just unbelievable. i hope for my sake that if or when i ever get in trouble i have someone like u in my corner like my lawyer...

yeah,because i still don't understand it altough i want it to be true. LA LIGA has already started and it has the same name and logo unless i missed something.:erm: so saying that the exclusive license from FIFA only means the name change and new logo doesn't make sense, because we would have...

same here my friend.

THAT'S A WISE MAN TALKING THERE, PLAY THE GAME FIRST BEFORE U JUDGE IT. hey chinaman, the name of this thread is wrong because you are saying FIFA09 has better gameplay than PES09 because of the graphics.:no: the gameplay is what u feel when u play the game man not what u see, because looks...

well for me all those things u just summed up sound very positive and i'm looking forward to the game much more,thanks.;)

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yes it does, espacially the one were SEABASS is being interviewed and that one has good graphics and nice annimations also. so i was hoping that was what we could expect this year or better

when u say the pace was too fast do you mean it was even faster then PES08 or the same or a bit slower. did the players feel solid and has the defending from your AI teammates improve. and if you can sum up the biggest differences between PES 08 and PES09 what would they be ?

2-Face well my friend if what u are saying is correct then the only great things are the fluid movements and the nice graphics from far out. well i can't wait for the demo to feel it for myself. by anny chance did u get to play PES2009? did u like it and how did it feel ?.

the new stats and abilities have to come because if they don't the only improvement we will be having on the next gen consoles for PES games will be graphics and that would be stupid. the problem is that if u want to keep the balance between attack and defence (and we know how importent that is...

the biggest problem is this my friend; the statts should work. having alot of statts doesn't mean annything when they don't work. you say FIFA has all these statts but personnaly i don't feel the difference between players and most people who have played the game feel the same way. so the...

yeah same here someone please :blush:

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marketing my friend isn't that holy and honest as you may think and EA is a big company so i don't believe annyone because everyone can be bought or have u forgotten IGN's review of PES last year. they said it was great and don't get me wrong here it's a good game and i think with all it's flaws...

and that's what bugs me because you can't say the gameplay has improved just by looking at the videos and listening to all the new features. u still have to wait and play it, and if u are right i will tell u so.

you are the one that seems stuck because most of u FIFA fans concentrate on what it looks like istead of what it feels like. well let me tell u this and i guess i'm not alone when it comes to this :I DUMPED ALOT OF BEAUTIFULL GIRLS WHO WEAR DESIGNER CLOTHES because when i got to know them they...

why are u trying to convince us? if u like it then that's ok with us and great for u. but WE DON'T. all of us have yet to play FIFA09 and PES09 so keep ur fingers crossed and maybe come october we will tell u that u were right but i doubt that because EA always screws up the gameplay( the...

are u joking, the graphics from up close made me sick and the gameplay didn't even come close. the only problem was that most of the PES fans expected much more than it finaly was and they expressed their disapointment and most of the FIFA fans got the idea that they meant that FIFA was better...

well honestly after that video i can see EA is going for the kill and ain't taking no prisonors so hopefully KONAMI brings out the big guns because they are going to need it. but then again PES is always been about the gameplay while FIFA has alot of added bonuses for lack off gameplay. i'm...