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Konami still haven't surpassed fifa 09 in terms of gameplay which is staggering. They've had years to look at how to do animations but havnt tried that hard. Unless they have an absolute overhaul in this area I'm already writing it off. I can live with almost anything else but player movement...

@Shaun7 I get what you mean but my football game requirements have changed. For the forseable future my only need for a football game is when I play a league between my mates. We want fun enjoyable bug free matches and fifa offers that. Our lounge mode games only come down to core gameplay and...

I think I'm going to get fifa when possible. Just sold pes for halo reach and it was fully worth it. I love pes. It has so many good points like master league, the champions league, player individuality and so on but there is no hiding from the fact it moves horribly. In 09 and 2010 I could bare...

Nah I think the budgets are spot on. With Madrid I started with 200mil which seemed like a lot but after 1 season my teams wages were £140mil + coaches etc. I had to sell a lot of my deadwood just to balence the books. Twas annoying yet realistic and fun.

A controversial yet arguably correct point. The demo was the perfect speed (I play on +2) and the passing didn't feel half as assissted as it does now.

Its not worst pes ever atall but they didn't deliver on a lot of their promises. 360 passing is barely there, 1000 new annimations? Barely noticeable apart the fact u can run in 360. Online? Still terrible for the most part. Master league? Robben costing 10mil, no player trades. Nets! There's a...

A lot more shot variation needed. Ball physics need to be reinvented to add swerve, spin and various levels of power.

I know its fucking stupid. I've gone 7 games+ without a daytime match. Another reason to sell it for halo

Gona sell it for halo reach monday. I'll get £32 trade in at CEX which bloody good. Cba with pes anymore until they have advanced movement mechanics.

Gona sell it for halo reach monday. I'll get £32 trade in at CEX which bloody good. Cba with pes anymore until they have advanced movement mechanics.

Top 5: 5) Pes 2 4) Pes 5 3) Fifa 09 2) Pes 4 1) Pes 6 Next gen pes would barely get in top 7

I think you need to stand up and applaud pes' off the field improvements but on the field they're going backwards each year. They think they've found a path and now they're sticking to it it which is a massive blow to me cos its obvious they're heading further and further away from the great...

Only get this game if u can either get it second hand or u are that desperate. This games alright but I consider it average. If if wasn't for gamerpoints I'd loose interest in most of it. Only good thing is masterleague imo. If ur gona get other games like dead rising, medal of hon, call of...

You shouldn't just give up on pes. Its still an ok game and fun but its far from what is expected of a game that has 10+ games prior to it in its series. 2011 has done one thing I like and that's cemented the fact a new engine/game is needed altogether

Current limitations of the console? Seriously, if codemasters can replicate in a football game what they can do with their racing games they'd be about 7-8 years ahead of pes and fifa. Pes needs a new engine to create new movements and body types. Unfortunetly they think pes 2011 is the be all...

I think a lot of problems stem from the lack of physicality of the game. The clunkyness aswell

Oh I've had niggles for example Evra running the ball into my own net completely unchallenged and running the ball through the keepers legs. Also player changing is fucking annoying as I keep sliding with my CM only for my defender to slide and leave their striker with a clear run on goal...

I'm as dissapointed with this game as the next guy but after 1 season I can say I've barely had any of these problems, especially the defensive ones

Sminkey I agree with you. Konami need to rip up the play book with pes or atleast give full control of it to greyhound. We need radical change. I want to see them change the game in ways I didn't even know were possible. I think we all have that vision of what pes should look like in our minds...

-The night-time graphics need overhauling -The player running animations need EXTENSIVE work -Player physics need massive overhauling -Player models are a disgrace and look shocking -Online is a fucking slowdown fest and gives me no oppertunity to play on +2 in competitions -COMPLETE lack of...