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Or go on a player stats on edit and highlight the individual stats and KONAMI will give you their meaning of the stats eventhough the meanings are a bit basic

1. Pes 4 2. Pes 5 3. Pes 2012 4. Pes 6 5. Pes 3 6. Pes 2010 7. Pes 2011

Yes I agree Markcross (shocking) but you still think 'just because think the game isn't perfect you suck at it' don't you?

Dude, we ain't slagging it off. 1 Person is and he is not saying Pes is crap, he is just saying FIfa is better (OCKRASS). The only reason I'm going in depth is that without going in depth you can't look at the bigger picture and see the actual AI programming. Shaun7 had a point and some were...

To be honest Markcross, the game can't just have positive opinions with noone saying the badstuff about it. Think of it like this Markcross - If you say the game is perfect and easy, then would you want the same game in pes 2013 because it is perfect like you say it is and has no improvements?

In pes 2011, a guy like shimizu can belt the ball from the center circle and be on target and have 99 power. It was just too easy and unrealistic. Patch 1.02 fixed it as it is floaty and powerful together like real life

Dribble accuracy - How well a a player can control the ball when it is on his feet. It is like close control where you can move the ball when you are dribbling anywhere you want to. A great example is Robben who can knock the ball on where he wants to for effect -...

Pes 2011 shots were a joke

Also, Pes need better advertising if they want to increase their merchandise sales. I am always seeing FIFA adverts and have only seen the pes 2012 advert once on espn and that was for like 10 seconds

To be honest, whenever I say to a FIFA fan, Pes is a good game and to play it online with me, they say 'Yeah, I'll play pes because I want to play with north london or london f.c with fake player names' That's their only comeback so it can have a slight impact on sales. Also you don't need every...

Read before you post please. I keep a lot of clean sheets and I use jockey all the time and I am saying it is stupid to jockey in real life all the time even in the oppositions half of the pitch. You are one of those fanboys that say, 'You only slag the game off because you suck at it'...

Is Ockrass a fan of PES or FIFA

Not all the time. For instance me, I can build up to a goal because I hardly ever use skills apart from nutmeg and sometimes I can score some spectacular goals. Pes just has better variation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqNjmrqJVqM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL385746FFEE5DD3D6

I thought you said goal variation for you is not the types of shooting but it is how you build-up play and score goals, not scissor kicks or scorpion kicks

My bad, I thought you meant goal variation as in the different type of goals. FIFA do have small goal variation but again that is due to poor programing

Yeah, don't use the cheats unless you completely suck on the game including beginner. It'll make it boring if you are an average or good gamer after 1 season

Why the heck do you have to jockey just to defend - if you don't jockey you let in a goal which is stupid. Players in real life can just slide tackle if it's a player like Heskey but in the game he can do Ronaldo Chop's

FIFA has the worst programming but the goal variation isn't too bad- you can do scorpion kicks on FIFA wheras on PES, I have never ever done it. Look at goals of the week by ksiolajidebt and you'll see it. Against the COM, PES is better because of it's programming but the difficulty levels don't...

Pes 4 is official, according to IGN, 24th best game ever created.

Game speed :0 out of 5 AI:5 OUT OF 5