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Fifa 09's biggest problem was responsivness. It made it impossible to imitate Messi in the game because he does moves way faster in reality than in the game. Also dribbling skills were underrated because defenders were overrated. By this I mean that the defenders defend too much and makes it...

^True. It could be. 360 movement can do harm if nopt done right and will make it even more unresponsive though I don't think it will.

I agree too. But it did return according to WENB.

^No because chips weren't so good. ;)

^So now you got a problem with agreeing with them? :doh: And also, it's common sense.

Amateur what you said is really true. Ffa is better in some aspects but pes is better in some others. They're different games in the end. Also konami really nned to make their new card system work because it would bring team/ player differences. Would be a great battle with fifa's 360 movement...

That's a lie about pes 5. The cpu interferance was really low thus why it was the best pes game ever. Ofcourse it's assisted, but it doesn't even bother you because it's really low. BTW I do not play fifa 09 passing on manual because the direction never goes where I want it.

My guess is late october and begining of november.

Pes 5's passing was more direction controlled rather than cpu assisted. Ofcourse it was cpu assisted but it let you give it the excact direction and to me even though there were 8 directions, the AI was much better thus better passing so it seems that there were more than 8 directions. Obviously...

I never mentioned manual passes. I was talking about cpu controlling your players. They say it'll be fixed I hope it is. I want passing to be like pes5/6 where you really had to press the right direction for the pass to be good. Passing took skill in that game. BTW not even in pes 09 they do as...

No one can reason with you. How in hell can you know that it'll be computer assisted? :doh: I am sorry to say this but you are not seeing reality. THIS IS A PES FORUM SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT. I already said that I do not do what you said, so why do you continue to quote me? FOR BOTH FIFA AND PES...

^Not excactly but some bodies are indeed better, but player faces are much better in pes and it's much more clear in graphics too. Overall graphics are better in pes so far. Let's wait for 2010 then. :)

If it will work the way they say it will, then yes, it'll bring another level of football/managment realism. But it needs to work first. I am also excited to see it in action. Also fifa has no cards like in pes so that is no copying. As for copying of things. I already said. Every game will...

^pes 5 right. :) I think a cross between pes 5 and 6 would be the best. But in pes 6 the keepers sometimes reacted wayyyy to superhuman like (van der sar as an example) If I had to choose I say pes 5 had the best keepers.

But responsivness = major gameplay thing. Without it, the game won't be as good. ;) For me anyways because football games require high responsivness (dribbling especially). Fifa may beat it but surley not in graphics. Let's wait and see. :) I cannot wait though.

In pes 09 the defenders didn't mean try to close you down. They left you in open space. I think that means that they won't be any faster, but be more responsive and close you down much better. By closing, I don't mean run faster, but close spaces and gaps better.

You forgot something major to pes. UCL and europa league Both into BAL and ML. That is worth mentioning. ;) Fifa 10 does indeed look promising. But let's see how pes will compare. Let's wait for some proper gameplay move ok. :)

^True. Finally someone who sees the truth. Neither fifa nor pes are out so no judging. As for fifa 10. It is looking better because much more info has come out + a small gameplay. Pes didn't release anything that major yet. So that's a reason why not to judge. As for fifa 09. It becomes boring...

Well that video is not worth judging on because the camera(player cam) moves too fast to actually see player movements. Also it was part of development so speed may change too. For me, I will not comment about how good or bad it is.

True (still it's a pes forum so you'd expect that), but there are other people out there that does the same with fifa.:) Such things are fanboyism. BTW I am not referring to anyone.;)