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I odrdered from game.uk and it says, 10 days till release, so it's oct 17.

I don't see a reason, why to hate pes 09. I managed to play it a bit (not on mine) and the pes feeling is back. It felt like pes 5 and sometimes 6.

Awesome goal.

^Like? I haven't played it yet.

^I guess so. In pes 08 (the worst edit mode) you could. I see no reason not to be included in pes 09 (awesome edit mode)

^They're the same. If you look at the screenshots of edit mode, they're from the 360 version and it shows the same thing as the videos.

It looks awesome.

Pes 5 was the best simulation. So going backwards is a good sign. If they improve on it, it will be great.

Because there are things called OPINIONS. It's yyour choice. You remind me of some fifa fans that were on this forum btw. They all say that they were pes fans and now they can't stand it. I'm not saying anything against you. But you damn sure can't stand anything good about pes 09. It's your...

Neither of the pes games were arcade except for pes 08. This year, it seems that it's gone back to a sim.

^That's definately not like 08. Great.

If it's like the ps2 version, it'll be esy, trust me

But only some and when the game was out, there were much and much mroe complaints than this year.

When have I judged the game? I only said that I compared other videos to pes 09 and it SEEMED better. I always say this in the end. "I HAVEN'T PLAYED IT THOUGH." This year unlike the previous, I heared much and much more saying that pes 09 is pretty good. But opinions are opinions.

^Videos show the gameplay. I compared it to pes 08 and 6 and 5. It's closest to pes 5 and I saw it better though I still have to play it to fuly decide. I can't trust you for 1 reason. Because you're one of the few who truly hates the demo. I read other forums aswell and they're happy, much...

Go play fifa then. Go to a fifa forum too if you don't like pes. Also I can't say the truth about pes 09 because I can't play the demo since I don't have xbox live but frm the videos, it's crystal clear that it looking like the best pes.

I was never a fonby. I admit the truth. The truth is that fifa always had better stadiums, while pes always had better player models and faces.

@some guy Did you even read my post? No I guess not. I'm not the fanboy here. I admitted that fifa has better stadiums, yet you, for some reason, can't admit that pes 09 demo is very good.

^Graphics? Admit anything good about pes you idiot. I'm sorrry you have to be. Take a look at the player comparison shots between fifa 09 and pes 09. Pes 09 is clearly the winner by miles, though fifa has better stadiums. You see, I stil admit that fifa has better stadiums, you're not admitting...

Fifa has better stadiums while pes has better player models.