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^STFU and GTFO idiot. This is a pes discussion you idiot. Go post in the fifa vs pes. Also how the hell can you tell that fifa is better? Both games aren't even released.

Well threads like this one are pure fanboyism because the games aren't even out yet. It should be locked.

So in pes 09, manual passing is the same as playing as a fixed player and you request a pass?

This game is gonna be pretty good. I don't think I'll be disappointed. I really like it.

I agree with Amateur. Thesa are all my thoghts and opinion about Pes 09.

^Agreed. But still I'll be happy with an updated pes 5, wirth better graphics, passing, dribbling, keepers, animations (for sure they'll be better), etc...

I think it's more like he's too blinded by Fifa fanboyism and he's also too mad that pes 09 is looking good this year.

Quality will go with pes 09 based on the videos so far. Fifa was the one that didn't have quality until maybe now or 08. Pes 08 wasn't good I know but pes 09 is looking miles better.

Pes 08 wasn't good. Stop saying things and excuses about it chinaman. You're the one not seeing the improvement because you're blinded with fanboyism.

^STFU about Fifa. This is a PES forum not a fifa forum. Accept that. Maybe Konami are waiting until the deom is released to give more new info about the full game.

Gamespot always says something bad about Pes. Get in your head. This year they were impressed. It's not a review. It's an opinion. They haven't wrote a full review of the game. I thought you were smarter than that. Youy should have reliazed that it's not a review. It's very small to be a good...

Waiting gives an answer I hope. They did the same with past pro evo's too. They always wait until there's a demo to give full info. Maybe I'm wrong too but I hear and read most info when the game has a demo.

Yeah I agree, however Pes 5 will still be updated. It had bad tackiling (defending) and few dribbling skills. They did improve on pes 6 and 08, so they will be in 09 too. So Konami will slightly improve on Pes5. I hope so.

Well I know but I said that so far that is the best simulation that games can do.

The biggest fifa fanboy in history. You cannot handle the FACT that Pes 09 is really good. Gamespot were really impressed by Pes 09. But you will continue to say it's trash. If Pes 09 plays like pes 5, it will be the best pro in history because pes 5 was the best simulation that games can go.

STFU and admit. Even Gamespot were amazed by Pes 09. It's not arcade and from what I've seen the player models and faces in Pes 09 are much better, Fifa has better stadiums and licenses. The shooting in Fifa is cool and realistic but the Pes long range shooting is miles better and more...

If Pes 5 was updated and tweaked, nothing will compare to it as it was the pewrfect football game. Konami reached the best simulation that games can reach in Pes 5 and if you update it and makes new moves and shooting, it will be the best.

I prefer a png of the logo. Then do the kit in edit mode

^Excactly. Pes 5 was the best Pes ever. I hope ths year it will better pes 5.

Agreed. That's the truth.