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tech we gather you love fifa and yes your probs right it has more manual control than pes 09 i played fifa last night with all assists turned of and i noticed more about the gameplay than with the cpu assisting my passes etc...it was actually fun...that aside i still found things to be...

Demo's give you a demonstration of what to expect from the game... it says gameplay may change as its not finished

its quite obvious i have pal im describing the game in very good detail with its lack of passion.....this whole fifa 09 thing has to be laid to bed as no one is going to back down....this is a thread about pes 2010 i suggest we start talking about that again

nah dude aint been egging him on at all mate...just saying my point thats all..

please dont get me wrong i have felt betrayed by pes and i feel like this is the last chance saloon to give the fans what they want....for me the best was pes 5 but going back to that would be wrong.....however putting in the passion and the overall feeling of achievement would be...

well said storm but i bet you all my savings tech will say your wrong you watch...

ha ha ok "god" thanks for showing me the light

its quite clear im not gona log off kid cus im talking about pes the game i like, fifa may feel like it has more control for you but not or me.. i play fifa on professional and im sick of how it makes the stats better instead of making the opp team more successful for example on professional...

yer man massive... i always love in the last week or so of pes coming out they release player faces from the leagues..be awesome to see who has been added and improved

wont answer the cock ups that fifa produce just pes?

dunno why ive been carded lol im just saying my point that he is wrong lol

yes mate you found me out i never oped the copy of pes 1 and 2 or infact 3 or 4 shit what a waste of money...dam i am a noob as you say......so the point i was making about pes had it before and are going back to it eludes you?

a power bar thats what your on about?? you idiot.... in pes you press it in the direction you want you tap it in you hold down the button you power it in..... and pes had the powerbar before mate so umm your a what noob maybe

comming from a fifa fanboy...... fifa apparently has an improved manager mode this time so we will see how it turns out...but master league is now getting old as the same rules apply year in year out..so they need to drasticly improve it this year

ooooook all you got is cpu controlled but if i press shot left in a pen it does it but wait i must be a cpu...... hey but in fifa umm i do the same shit im not a cpu ahhhhhhh

ha ha when did i say im a die hard pes fan dont think i did pal, ok mate you win manual control in fifa just kicks pes ass... fuck the fact fifa is unrealstic ok ok. tbh i dont care what you think of me i enjoy pes always have always will im commenting on the fact that yes pes has gone down...

ha ha kid your full of shit....you kno im right mate....and im not playing me playstation 24/7 to notice if the cpu takes a pen for me or not.... i go for realism mate and to me pes is far more real.....the movement on fifa are tragic they move like retards and look like they getting bummed when...

but that does not effect the game at all you say oh its so skill full to let the cpu take a penalty for you...i have never seen that what so ever...and the weighted balls issue doesnt effect the game either as i only use circle button to loft balls and cross..... the manual control on fifa is...

RAMAX mate there no point he is deluded.... just concentrate on pes init and let him rant on about how awesome fifa is ha ha