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Who really cares about celebrations and player likeness that much? An old style Fifa fan that's who, not a PES fan. To hear a PES fan defend the game by pointing to these things is a sign of desperation and acceptance that Fifa has overtaken PES in terms of pure game play.

BAP slips a big fat one up BAL when it comes to gameplay though at the end of the day. My teammates do my swede in on BAL and it in no way resembles real football to any degree. It's crip.

We;re still here posting because of our love for Pro Evo over the years. It's not easy to just walk away and leave it, we need to vent our frustration.

I find every game different in Fifa, and although i score quite a lot of breakaway goals, one on one, there is generally a fair bit of variety in my play. More and more as time goes on in fact. I love using manual cross/lob pass, you can score some banging volleys. I'm getting my long range...

The game has been out in the EU (and presumably Israel) for 2100 hours. You have therefore been playing roughly 19 1/2 hours a day since it's release. Are you human?

Fifa's system for initiating off the ball runs is simple to use, and very well done. It has the intelligence to work out who your intended target is 9 times out of 10 (the other 1 time being when there is multiple equally good options, meaning you can opt for the player it makes run anyway)...

Have you player BAP on Fifa? Your teammates AI is generally outstanding and you can play some fantastic flowing football with them. It can be a bit easy on World Class if you're playing for a top team because they play such good football, but legendary difficulty mode still provides a good...

I've probably had about 30 people quit on me on Fifa and have been awarded the win each time. I think it's only the XBox where there's a slight issue with not being rewarded the win, if you don't wait long enough to go back to the lobby when the other player quits.

You mean like this? http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/3148754

About 15 hours. Fifa, about 150 hours.

I was playing fifa last night and have never been so involved in a football game in 20 years of playing them (including 16 ISS/PES titles). The more you play the more magical it becomes, quite the opposite to those who believe it gets boring quickly. Mastering manual controls, jostling, pace...

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All i can say buddy is that i fell that the possibilities in Fifa are endless and Pro Evo bores me. You have full control over what you do with the ball in Fifa. Eg. You can use manual cross to attempt to chip the keeper at his far post from a tight angle near the corner flag. You can throw...

Too true. Stealing each others ideas is a crucial part of healthy competition. Steal the other companies good ideas, add your own. EA have done this and released a gem. Konami have clearly overlooked what EA have been doing and have paid the price.

Talking about intricate passing moves, i love that on Fifa you can imagine a move consisting of multiple give-and-go's between 3-4 players all the way up the pitch, and then execute it if you get everything right. Your CPU teammates are intelligent enough to understand your ideas, and being...

I'm currently top of the league with Arsenal on legendary, i'm just doing a premiership season. I've won 9 drawn 2 lost 3. Some games are nigh on impossible to win i reckon, the CPU just defends so well! I send runners all over the place, play proper one touch intricate football, but they...

Well said mate. All i can say to the guy before is that a 0-0 on Fifa is far more rewarding than a 0-0 on PES, the CPU on legendary mode requires 100 percent concentration all the way through the game to keep out. They attack very intelligently and will immediately take advantage of any gaps...

I don't get how you can find it boring. What's boring about it? To me it offers the variety of goals, goal mouth scrambles etc. that PES did at it's best. I can't complain at all. 50 percent of goals may be one-on-ones where you use finesse to score from a 45 degree angle, but it's exactly...

Use manual crossing and long balls defo. I haven't made the switch to manual for everything yet, but from what people have said, once mastered it takes the game to a whole new level of realism. L1 is what you use to initiate off the ball runs yeah. It's essential down the wings and for...

Are you using any manual controls? Have you switched the config to match Pro Evo? Are you using give and go alot? Are you initiating off the ball runs? HAve you sorted out your formation and custom tactics to make your defence play deeper? These are all big things.