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But the best thing in this, is that they're still there. I understand Amateur though as with L2 they were easier to use. But at least, they're still there. Seeing as konami sometimes take out the good things. AT LEAST THEY'RE STILL HERE. :) So in the end, it's not such a big deal. Maybe...

Mad as in angry or mad as insane? If it's the latter one then, NO. I just speak the truth and call it what it is.

^How can someone take you seriously? You're clearly lying about pes 11. Animations alone do not make a game better. And in pes 11 you cannot dribble the whole pitch. I don't even think you played the game. You're just guessing. And also, how can you say something about pes' passing? It's clearly...

I agree that fifa is just shiny gold from the outside but nothing special on the inside. When you first see fifa, you say, wow. But when you analyse it, it's nothing special and just buggy. Really buggy. The majority of the part of why fifa 11 frustrates you is the horrible AI. Seriously, what...

^That's actually a pretty good post. That sums up my feeling for both games. Anyway, mind you fifa 11 is not glitch free though. The glitches are not as visible as pes ones. They're more hidden. But that doesn't mean it's glitch free. The AI in fifa is actually filled with glitches and stupid...

Note that PES 11 DOES NOT HAVE AUTO SLIDE. You can turn it off. Go to the formations, then select auto trigger or something like that and make auto slide OFF. But I agree that some perfect tackles get called as fouls. Well from the demo anyway. It was annoying. Although in reality it does...

Although I agree that they both stole from each other, I don't think they're turning into each other because they are very different.

Online NOOBS are just noobs. They exist everywhere in every game and make up close to 3/4's of the online community in every game. They exist in shooters (using explosives and grenade launchers every time because they can't shoot) They exist in sports games (using the best teams) Basically...

^I guess you should correct that a bit. That's not enough. ;) Not even REALLY ANNOYING is enough. When Fifa 11 gets annoying, it can be game breaking and at times unbearable. You just have to quit and leave. The AI is just over the top. Every team plays with high defensive lines and high...

Totally true. Fifa just feels more complete and the animations are better so at first if you're used to fifa the last 2 years, you're gonna see PES as the inferior product because fifa is what they call "eye catching". But it does lack the word DEPTH like tech said. So even though both are...

You can take certain points from a video but not much. Speed being one of the things you cannot take, because the video will suffer from framerate issues so it'll make the game appaear either faster or slower. But you can get a general idea of the game. But then again, a video won't get you...

Tech, I really didn't like this if it happens many times. Because this exact thing happens on fifa all the time. Yeasterday I tried to clear a lose ball against the super barcelona, and iniesta somehow kept with Godin or Dominguez and when I cleared the ball, it bounced into him and into my...

^I hope that's not the case. Or maybe because you're playing with different teams anyway. I hope it's that. I don't want anything else worse than the demo. The demo was fine. At least much better than 10. I hope it's because we need to re adjust to it.:)

I always get both games. And I already got fifa 11 this year. Last year and the year before that, I made a switch to fifa. But this year I am not sure yet. I am 100% positive that fifa will be more complete BUT: I already had enough of HORRIBLE AI and cheating on fifa 11. This is the 1st...

THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN?:shocking: Ofourse not. That's the worst case of STUPID SCRIPTED AI. I mean, yes it needs to happen AT TIMES like you said, but not like in fifa 11 where it happens MOST OF THE TIME. In fifa 11 every pass will have a predestined path BEFORE YOU EVEN PASS IT. The AI gets...

An opinion not a joke. Just like some prefer fifa, some say that this is the best pes yet. :)

Pes is not evolving into fifa. It implemented some features from fifa, but that's because it needed to, but in the end, they're still different. And I cannot agree that ffia wins HANDS DOWN. No way. It may win in the end, (because fifa feels more complete) but not hands down. The AI and...

That's totally not true as I have fifa 11 full version and the pes demo and they're nothing alike. Well, pes 11 did implement some features from fifa (but modified) like the power bar, more difficult shooting (though the powerful shots are still better than fifa's) and more freedom especially...

Well, this is the first time that both games are good. Fifa 11 made some solid improvements from 10 is SOME KEY AREAS SUCH AS SHOOTING BUT IT LOST OTHER AREAS LIKE THE AI and everything surrounding it. I feel that the passes are missed not because of player's position or movement or just the...

I definitely have to try this. It seems like pes' tactics are pretty varied, more than I first thought. Anyway, I'll see if I can pull it off in 11 demo. And BTW, that's a pretty awesome find. Nice one :)