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Played demo countless times and try as I might I don't like it. The fact that Jon Murphy said demo 2 is the retail version makes me even more disappointed. So much so I have cancelled my pre-order that I made in June. Yes they will patch keepers but the whole game just dont feel right. As a fan...

Placebo effect or what.

Thank fuck for that.

I'm getting FIFA this year. Lost patience with Pes now.

I still don't know what game to get. One minute I love both games then the next I hate them. Pes always looks half finished to me. I pay nearly £40 and have to spend time putting option files on and waiting a week for a DLC to make the game playable. I'd rather they delayed it a month and...

Love how they score a goal but kill the replays. How annoying.

The jerking and pausing on the 360 will be gone in full release.

To get the real feel of pes12 take all the assisted tackling, sliding, passing & clearing off. The game feels immense. Really is a great game. Always room for improvement and I'm talking Keepers. Until pes 6 they had them pretty much spot on but since then they have got them wrong. In the next...

You can turn of CPUs player names above their head in the settings in the main page. Great game. Pes is finally back.

On 360 Downloading now. 34%!

In FIFA they bang on about player personality but it don't exist. Example being Titus bramble plays like Drogba if you stick him up front

I don't like in FIFA the way they cut away from the keeper and ball in net very quickly after a goal so you can do a stupid celebration. Each to their own I suppose.

Despite all it's flaws pes still has that magic. I agree with the above about Fifas management mode. It's so boring. After buying every PES since ISS I switched to FIFA in 09 after pes became unplayable foe me. At first FIFA looked great but for all it's bells and whistles it still lacks that...

Pes 3 & 4 were immense.

Konami have gone stale. How can they make the best footie games ever from ISS to Pes06 and then fail so badly. If it's the same people working on the game then the same mistakes will happen year in year out. Ea realised this and changed the team.

As said earlier this is why Konami shouldn't have released this demo. They should have waited and released only 1 demo, the one that's out in a few weeks. This was done to get one over FIFA and it could spectacularly fail.

But both la liga and SPL only have two teams!

Please remember that this is the first demo. In my opinion they shouldn't have released it. Why? Cos the haters will hate even more. FIFA fans won't be impressed and I take it that was a main reason this first demo was released, to draw in people who have left Pro for FIFA. Konami have already...

Apparently what I just posted has been confirmed as bullshit. You can't beat twitter for bullshit.

From Asim on Twitter: "Xbox 360 demo will be released in September, confirmed by Konami. #PES2012"