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Yeah I know! I kind of want it to happen again but I was so surprised because usually when a player runs up they stop with the invisible wall but no he ran straight though and wacked the ball away! The ref said nothing hah... :( Yeah I liked the demo but starting to dislike the game, so agree...

I'm actually considering emailing them for my money back. The game is clearly not finished. I feel like we have been 'had' by the marketing department. I played pes since the first and the only pes that I disliked were 2008 and 2009. The rest since has had problems but im not a fussy guy and...

There was a day 1 patch wasnt there? Also can you not increase the speed in options?

After playing both demos, FIFA is definitely more polished but felt like it was too slick, pes feels more realistic to me. Scoring a goal in pes now feels amazing, cant put my finger on why but I had that old PES2 feeling of scoring again...

Can someone tell me if the patch makes things better? Adam said on twitter that it improves shooting and overall responsiveness? Can anyone comment on this?

Yeah I was thinking that about input lag but sometimes my press isnt even registered. I think maybe once the game is out, speeding it up slightly, if we still can? Could be the solution.

Ah right, was thinking I was pushing shoot too late, first thing im going to do is spend a good few hours in the training mode to get a feel for all the new stuff.

Can anyone tell me how to volley? Ive played around 15 games and have not managed to volley the ball or header off a corner once. I am pushing shoot a good few seconds before my guy receives it, he just always takes a touch!

I know what you mean but I find it a bit more realistic, harder to build play. Means more midfield passing to find space. I've still managed to use it on the counter. I think the whole thing feels a lot more true to life, but with that comes more frustration. A lot of games finish 0-0 1-0...

Is there really a difference between US and UK version? Any proof of this?

Having played for a second time I'm starting to agree more with the majority that it is a big step up. Was not sure after the first play but I did rush into it, not properly setting up controls, managing team etc... I actually like the slower pace of the game, feels more authentic to me! Did...

Haha I know, couldn't believe it when I saw him! Thought that he was a joke character, shocking. Yeah I had a quick go last night and felt I had slightly less control, probably due to the new animations. By the 3rd game I started to get better. Not sure if anyone can confirm this but...

Thats totally not a solution at all, what about if you want to throw all your players up front in the last seconds? Literally will take about 10 minutes to get them up there! Cutscenes I agree. Think it could be the grass... Graphics are good but some faces are strange, Johnny Evans and Rafael...

No the game management screen is not just bad, its almost unusable with the 360 controller :(. Dragging a player to a position takes about 20 seconds no joke. Not sure if its lag or what?! Also to the person who said its my choice if I tell the player where I put it... Well the round circle...

Ok so played the american demo. I love pes, loved all apart from 2008 and 2009. My thoughts so far. Good points: Animations improved and seems faster than the gamescom demos, you have to think ahead more for one touch passes because if you are too late player will take a touch. Keepers...

Downloading now, will post impressions later tonight

pes just got released to USA Xbox Live market place, created a US account but it needs to be gold :(

True, but if online is as great as they say then actually i would consider GTA single player 1/4 of the game! :w00t

PES because full GTA is not out till Oct 1st (Online mode), its only half a game until then!

Exactly, if pes was as good as the old days I'd play it with no licenced anything and wrong names! Gameplay is my only care