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I'll give up then, I thought Id'e waste my sunday night trying to wind sminky up, biting what exactly, smug fuck. My last post dont worry mate, lets get back on topic of discussing fuck all.

Problem with the internet mate, you cant really judge whats quick tempered, you merely irritated me.

Lord fucking Adam is a dirty tease, like his passion but seems to skirt around important questions and loves the hype. And pes messiah or so he's called is insulting to pes gaming;/

In all fairness, its the amstel and weed plus an 8-2 win over that shit team from london.

@Sminky For someone who's not arsed, you seem to talk an awful lot of shit about pes 2012. "My previous post was a retrospective analysis of the PES brand" Get out your own arse mate Waits for negative rep and fanboy comments:carlton:

The shooting in pes 2011 was very rewarding and I liked it, have to say from what I have seen so far shot trajectory seems to have more variation which is great. Just hope its not be dumbed down to please the moaners from last year.

Good spot, I'd call you a sad bastard for noticing;) but I almost spunked myself when I saw the new sqaure nets. PES is all about attention to detail.

It would force me to buy a ps3 for PES, so from that point of view it would work. Wont happen though, maybe a few years ago but not now.

Would be interested to hear your impression on manual player movement amateur, haven't been able to try the game myself. The RS feature will be severely undermined if unresponsive although I have high hopes for it.

I think the second demo will be more in line with pes 2011, a good thing from my own point of view.

Seabass is a legend, there will always be part of me that remains pissed off with him and konami for pes 2008,09 and partly 10(I loved 2011 despite some ridiculous flaws), however this guy has shown a true understanding of football time and time again and I have up-most respect for the guy. I...

Find it a bit surprising on here the amount of people who judge the game after a few days of a demo, this aint a dig or anything just surprised thats all. Its hard enough to judge a retail PES after a few days never mind a demo. As long as PES is not dumbed down like FIFA ill be happy...

Dont know what keepers are like in demo(not great from some vids), I liked the individuality of the keepers in 2011 and never want them to get to fifas generic standards, however I do agree they need improving and are too inconsistent on the whole.

Take a look at Goetze and Ganso, two players who would suit United and we have also been linked with them in real life if your looking to keep it realistic.

Cursor change any better?

I felt it with pes 2011, although it missed that polished and complete feel of last gen games, plus it made me snap a number of discs and effectively end up paying 90 quid for 9 months of PES. Glad to hear enjoying pes again DJ clue as gay as that sounds:lol:

Any thoughts on cursor change people, is it improved and back to its logical self? this poor xbox bastard has to wait another few weeks.

I know this sounds really trollish but I genuinely find teams have no individuality or tactical nuance on fifa, this comes after a lot of hours spent in Career mode on fifa 09/10 and 11 for a couple of weeks. FIFA 2008 felt more organic in that sense, games had a more realistic feel to them...

Slightly insulting for us 360 users to be honest, it could have been announced earlier even though I would rather just wait for game anyway(more exciting).

Wont be happy if cursor change is still fucked although I found semi assist bearable in pes 2011, has to be worked on if this is still the case as it can be highly irritating. Unassisted cursor change was unusable in pes 2011. Love the look of new pitchside cam, hopefully broadcast is still in...