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How are individual player records determined?

bhutz

Registered User
I'm sure this wil have already been discussed but I have searched and couldn't find anything...I can not understand how the computer generates the after match individual player records/statistics.

I mean my mate said he got Ronaldo to score 6 goals in 6 shots earlier and only squeezed a rating of 7.5...so I thought I would ask about.

Also what is the highest rating you have achieved, peeps? I *think* mine was 8.0/8.5 but DEFINITELY no higher than that
 

tom pain

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I think it's just on how effective they were and how much they contributed to the victory (provided you won).

I had a 10.0 on PES3 with Petipa and a 9.0 on this with Zico. They both played wicked, didnt give the ball away once and scored all the goals.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
You need to play good in all areas. Mistakes such as losing possession or making dumb passes deduct points, etc.

I look at it like this. If a defender defends well he'll get an ideal 7.5, which means he had a great match. A striker scoring some goals will grab a 7.5. Midfielder providing passes + scoring/closing down opposition will net a 7.5.
7.5 could be viewed as a 10/10 under normal circumstances.
Now take a striker, have him score some goals, set up some goals, make some nice tackles in your own end, basically a perfect all around game and he'll prolly get 8.5+ which would be classed as a legendary performance :)

My best performance was with Solsjaer, 4 goals, 2 assists, a yellow card =P. He basically dominated, every touch from him was useful. I got 9 or 9.5
 

Stevie Baby

Village Idiot
They should stop being so harsh on the keepers too.

Ive had a keeper who's put in an outstanding performance all match, made some amazing saves, then goes and gets a penalty knocked past him and its another 5.5
 

Barry

Registered User
Highest I ever scored on PES4 is an 8,5 for Socrates and an 8,5 for Rensenbrink.
Scored 3 goals in 3 shots with Socrates, gave 2 assists and only gave the ball away twice.
Its all down to effectivity, although defenders seem to be rated a bit different. If a player plays a shitty game, but scores 2 goals, he will most probably still get a 7 or 7,5.
AI Opponents never seem to score higher then 7,5 though.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
Stevie Baby said:
They should stop being so harsh on the keepers too.

Ive had a keeper who's put in an outstanding performance all match, made some amazing saves, then goes and gets a penalty knocked past him and its another 5.5

agreed. my keepers get more points for dribbling then they do for saves :mellow:
and even when they make a ton of great saves they'll still usually score low :confused:

i'm happy with the ratings from all the other positions tho.
 

jamez

Calcio Agriculturus
I played as Holland the other day, and Kluivert got 4 goals, yet he only got 6.5. It doesn't matter if he made any tackles, or if he lost the ball alot - he still scored 4 goals. As a striker, he did his job very well so a 9 or 10 rating would be fair.
 

oyvindolok

Registered User
stupid

the rating system in pes 4 is just stupid. I scored 8 goals with Henry once. (against a poor human, playing for the first time) and he got 7,5. I have never had better than 8. The deffenders are getting 7 easy. But if a striker not score he is always getting poor but that is ok. The keepers on the other hand never gets better than 7,5.
On pes 3 I acctualy made 10 twice. But I belive it is impossible on pes 4. They have to dso something with the sytem.
agree?
 

bhutz

Registered User
I find that if I try and play as efficiently as possible (not giving up the ball too easy, etc) I got solid ratings for my midfield and forward players of about 7.
Scored 4 wit Van Persie and he didn't lose the ball much and managed to get an 8.
 

bhutz

Registered User
I think you have to aim for a good level of possession too to expect a good rating, for example in the game where Van Persie got me an 8 the whole team had 55% possession (although it felt like more).
I find that when I try and play for good player ratings I play loads better as a consequence, normally I try and showboat against the computer which is pretty pointless cos it's not like you can really make them feel silly like u can wit a human :D
 

Stormrider

Registered User
oyvindolok said:
the rating system in pes 4 is just stupid. I scored 8 goals with Henry once. (against a poor human, playing for the first time) and he got 7,5. I have never had better than 8. The deffenders are getting 7 easy. But if a striker not score he is always getting poor but that is ok. The keepers on the other hand never gets better than 7,5.
On pes 3 I acctualy made 10 twice. But I belive it is impossible on pes 4. They have to dso something with the sytem.
agree?

the system is just fine. so you played against a noob and scored 8 crappy goals, don't mean henry should get 10/10. it's not about quantity m8, it's about quality.

if the goal(s) were important then that'll help the rating a lot. if you create your own goals (a striker running from 1/2 destroying few defenders followed by a nice chip) will get you more points. having someone set up your goal won't give you much. also the number of times in possession help.

if you're down by some goals late in an important match. suddenly your striker gets a self created hat trick to win the game, that's an 8.5+ right there.
 

oyvindolok

Registered User
Stormrider said:
the system is just fine. so you played against a noob and scored 8 crappy goals, don't mean henry should get 10/10. it's not about quantity m8, it's about quality.

if the goal(s) were important then that'll help the rating a lot. if you create your own goals (a striker running from 1/2 destroying few defenders followed by a nice chip) will get you more points. having someone set up your goal won't give you much. also the number of times in possession help.

if you're down by some goals late in an important match. suddenly your striker gets a self created hat trick to win the game, that's an 8.5+ right there.

the system is just fine??? ok we have different opinions. And who said the 8 goals were crappy? I don't say that you should get 10 just because scoring 8 goals. But how often is it a striker scores 8 goals in a match, even though the opponent is as bad as it can gets????
 

Stormrider

Registered User
oyvindolok said:
the system is just fine??? ok we have different opinions. And who said the 8 goals were crappy? I don't say that you should get 10 just because scoring 8 goals. But how often is it a striker scores 8 goals in a match, even though the opponent is as bad as it can gets????

like i said, 8 unimportant goals from henry. and it was your opponent's 1st time so i guess he didn't know what he was doing which means the goals weren't too difficult to create.

hell, i think 7.5 is actually generous for that performance.
 

oyvindolok

Registered User
Stormrider said:
like i said, 8 unimportant goals from henry. and it was your opponent's 1st time so i guess he didn't know what he was doing which means the goals weren't too difficult to create.

hell, i think 7.5 is actually generous for that performance.

Ok. Lets forget Henry's 8 goals. I played on my master league save today. In one match Ronaldinhio got 2 assist, 2 goals, he made just two wrong passes out of 27. he was just great!! I won the match 4-3.and he got 7,5..... whats the realism in that? 9 or even 9,5 would be realistic.
by the way I am playing on 6 stars, the match was against Newcastle.
My point is that the system is not "JUST FINE" as you said.
 

Zygalski

Administrator
Maybe this will help.

Adzhewitt on pesfan said:
A player rating is bases upon all aspects and all elements of the game that that player has just taken part in, I explain as follows.

1 ALL PLAYERS

1i) A player can only receive a rating of between 0-11 if he has participated within the game longer that 5 min (this includes experience points)

1ii) A player will not be rated by the number of minutes he has completed on the pitch after the elapsed 5 min.

1iii) A player will be rated relating to his position only, for example if a defender scores he will be given a higher mark than if a forward scores.

1iv) The number of experience points gained will be effected by the players rating.

1v) Any yellow cards received by a player will result in a deduction of 1.0 from there base rating, this is the ultimate rating killer. A CDF scoring and having the game of his life looking at a rating of 7.0-7.5 will be hugely knocked down to 6.0-6.5.

1vi) Any red cars will result in a deduction of 1.5 from there base rating, DO NOT DO THIS if you have any ambition of getting your players in the record ratings league during the ML season.

1vii) All players start each game with a base rating of 5.0

2 GOAL KEEPERS

2i) A GK will be first rated on shots saved this why if you have a strong defence your GK may suffer in his game ratings. The way in which he saves the shot is affected on his rating also for example holding or parrying the shot, holding being the better of the two.

2ii) The GK will also be rated on his passing ability second and % of completed passes. All pass variations are rated the same excluding the punt forward. A percentage is broken up into 4 parts for all payers as follows:-

0-25% low 1.0 deduction from rating
25-50% average 0.5 deduction from rating
50%-75% good 0.5 increase of rating
75-100% excellent 1.0 increase of rating

2iii) Ultimately clean sheets are a must for any GK, 1 conceded goal will result in a base rating of 5.5 (base rating being the lowest rating you could obtain by just completing this task, not taking into consideration passing, movement, dribbling etc) or decrease rating of 1.0.

3 DEFENDERS (CENTRAL)

3i) A DF is rated first on his ability to protect his goal from attack and therefore a clean sheet will result in a base rating of 6.0 or increase of 1.0

3ii)A DF will be rated on his Passing % as above.

3iii) The movement of a DF and his possession of the ball will effect the rating he will receive, for example he will be given a higher rating if he can bring possession of the ball out into midfield breaking down the attack and creating the base for his team to advance up the pitch. This is measured by the amount of possession this player had the ball out of his natural position.

3iv) Scoring a goal with a defender will give you a base rating of 6.5 or increase of 1.0

*The best way to get a high rating in this position is to keep a clean sheet and a good % of passes.

4 DEFENDERS (SIDE/WING BACKS)

4i) SB/WB are rated similar to CDF only there is more emphasis on there possession in the opposing half and less on the protecting goal issue. This is why if you concede a goal the chances are your CDF rating will be affected grater then the SB. However the DF/SB who is seen responsible for the goal or directly involved in the goal will be more effected by decrease of there rating. This is measured by the area the scoring player was in when he scored, example, If a player crosses the ball into your box and then that cross is headed/volleyed/rolled etc into your net the players seen responsible will be your CDF not the SB. However if a player runs down the wing cuts in a scores himself your SB will be seen responsible.

*The best possible way to get a higher % in this position is to have your SB running deep into the opposition half and making crosses into the box.

5 MIDFIELDERS

5i) All midfield player will be mainly rated on there passing % and possession of the ball in the oppositions half as explained above.

5ii) OMF /WF will be rated the same as a DMF

5iii) Scoring is not a large part of the midfield position therefore any one player doing so will result in a high base rating of 6.5. or increase of 1.0

5iv) Assists are seen as a major part of the MF role so there will not be much increase in the rating.

6 FORWARDS

6i) A forwards rating is the easiest and lest complex of all simply score, score, score! As this is an important part of a forwards position it does not greatly affected his rating making is sometimes seem unfair that your player has just scored a hat-trick and yet on received a rating of 6.5-7.0. This is because a forward is mainly rated on his % of scoring, not the scoring itself. This is why a player only scoring 1 goal can receive a rating of 7.0, the same as your hat-trick. Why because Mr 1 goal buried his one and only chance. The hat-trick forward scoring 3 goals missed 10 chances to score the three.

*To obtain a high rating in this position do not waste scoring opportunity’s, a clinical finisher will be well on the was to a 8.0 8.5 rating in no time, combine that with an odd assist and some good passing and possession your on your way to the perfect game rating of 10.0, and remember no killer cards.

7 GENERAL POINTS

7i) A player receives a game rating in each and every game he plays, these ratings are stored and added together to create a total game rating and is displayed in the season rating league during your ML season. Unfortunately if you do not have a total rating of 7.0-6.5 or higher you are unlikely to ever see your players in this league.

* I stress every game the player plays this includes pre season friendly.

DISCLAIMER

This guide has been put together by use of experimenting and close observations statistically; I do not claim to know all the answers.

PLEA TO YOU

PLEASE ADD ANY COMMENTS TO THIS THRED IN ORDER TO BUILD OUR KNOWLEDGE OF PLAYER RATINGS, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING NOT COVERED IN THIS GUIDE PLEASE ADD TO IT VIA YOUR COMMENTS.

Last night I played a world cup match - Ronaldo scored 2 early goals and went off with a red cross injury on 27 minutes. He got a 7 and was the highest rated player. It finished 2-1 to me. Damn Ronnie always getting injured.........
 

bhutz

Registered User
Quality post, Zygalski. I think that just about clears everyone's questions up.
I might try and play a game on 1 star and put some awesome players in defense and weave up the pitch and get them to score as many goals as possible to see what max rating I can get based on these ideas :D
 

Cardozo

Registered User
funny, i just scored 99 goals(tried cheating) with Vayrynen, 99 out of 99 scored, I got a 7.5, Ive NEVER gotten higher than 7.5!!!
 
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