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pes v pes2

Mambo

Mambo

Registered User
PES2 is obviously superior to PES in my opinion.

More up to date
Better editing mode for club teams
Umbro challenge training - brilliant
More refined dribbling and shooting
Commentary is just as crap though!
More club teams
Harder free kicks (that's good - requires more skill)
Better allround gameplay
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
Those points are all good.

I will be different and say what's good about PES:

Harder to score and so feels more of an achievement.
Harder to dribble so it makes you pass.
Through ball is very good.
You can head the ball without it being given as a foul.
Defences are much better so you have to play well to create chances.
Had to do a funky cheat code of button presses to be able to play multiplayer master league.
Teams were up to date when it was released.
Andy Cole in da house!

And a few reasons PES2 is better cos:

The World Cup second stage ties are correct unlike in PES.
Extreme mode.
Extra moves such as super-cancel.

Bad things about both:
I want to see the match and scorer stats of a cup final before it goes to the celebration dammit!
 
BazHilder

BazHilder

Registered User
Another thing which they have both failed to do is limit the amount of subs that you can name in each game. you can still only make 3 but you could have your whole squad on the bench! for pes3 i hope they allow only 5 (maybe more for internationals or friendlies)
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
No way!

It's great the way it is.
In master league we have to limit ourselves to 12 out of 30ish!
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
PES has squads of 22 for all teams and PES2 has more players per team, mostly.

Strangely some people can't find the 'hidden' players when they press right to see the subs instead of scrolling down.
 
wixon

wixon

Registered User
Pes was more groundbreaking when it came out, for example, the amazing graphics but pes2 is far superior in every department.
 
wixon

wixon

Registered User
did any one notice the spelling mistake in PES. When a european champoinship match started and that green bar with the two teams that are playing came up on the screen, european was spelt europian!!!!! god i'm sad.
 
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jimzico

Registered User
:) Zygalski, you like Andy Cole? One of my favourite players of all time but everyone seems to believe the media hype about his needing 6 chances to score 1!! Unless you were being sarcastic!
 
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rebusrahman

Registered User
Originally posted by Zygalski
PES has squads of 22 for all teams and PES2 has more players per team, mostly.

Strangely some people can't find the 'hidden' players when they press right to see the subs instead of scrolling down.
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Think that's when you have more than 11 subs to choose from they get listed "out of view" and you have to scroll to find them. Is that what you're talking about?
 
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rebusrahman

Registered User
Originally posted by jimzico
:) Zygalski, you like Andy Cole? One of my favourite players of all time but everyone seems to believe the media hype about his needing 6 chances to score 1!! Unless you were being sarcastic!
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It's 5 chances and Glenn Hoddle said it (cos Cole openly criticised him for not picking him for England). But I have to say that Cole was and is rubbish. He was only prolific due to the support he received at Newcastle and Man U. If you look at his goal rate at B'burn it is nowhere near as he doesn't have that all-important support. Plus his 1st touch was always bad.
 
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jimzico

Registered User
I'll admit last season he had a poor one but in his first for Blackburn he scored something like 15 in 25, not bad at a bottom of the table team (when he joined). Plus at Utd he always got 20 goals (approximately) and that's without EVER taking pens, unlike Yorke and Van. This year Van got about 25 league goals including about 10 pens. So basically he got 15. Plus nobody mentions all the good through balls he did for Utd and now for Blackburn! And he holds the record for Premiership top scorer with 34. Shearer also has 34 but he played 2 more games and guess what....he also gets 10 pens a year! Plus he scored 4 or 5 overheads for Utd, and his first touch is good, its just whenever he miscontrols the ball it gets highlighted. I've seen Owen do far worse, especially during the 1-0 defeat to Germany at Wembley! Clean through and he totally spazzed up. Funny how for the world player of the year awards in 99 Cole was higher than Yorke across the board yet over here everybody rates Yorke higher. Yorke is more skilful but Cole has pace, is a good passer and has a good football brain.
 
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rebusrahman

Registered User
I don't rate Yorke above Cole. He had one good season at Utd. Anyway, Cole scored all those goals down to support. RVN has scored a lot of goals of off his own skill. And lets not forget that Utd monopolised the prem for many seasons because the others were nowhere near them. There is much more competition now and 1 of 3 can win the prem. So the improved quality of other teams means less goals for strikers usually.
Also I do not believe you can discount pens as you still have to score them... Cole wouldn't dismiss them in his tally and nor should he.
Cole was v good at holding the ball up but I still maintain that he was only as good as the people around him. And his single was bo****ks. I do think that Owen has to expand his game. Pool always try and supply him with a long ball over the top and he always tries to use his pace. Strikers need to have an all-round game more than ever. That was very apparent with Vieri in the WC against S Korea.
Anyway, irrespective of the fact that Cole always scored 20 min... the point is he wasted a lot of chances. If a really top quality striker had been at Utd they would have got 30+ a season.
 
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jimzico

Registered User
Cole never got a fair chance for England! 8 caps or so spread over almost a decade and most of them as sub!!! If he'd had the same chance as Heskey he'd have settled in easily. Remember his performance aginst France? Ran Desailly ragged and helped Owen score. And anyone in the world would score at least half their pens. A pro footballer would score about 7-8 so if Cole had taken pens that's a guaranteed extra 7 a season! And as for Cole wasting chances every striker does, like i said when he does it, it gets highlighted. I've seen Owen miss over 8 chances on many occasions but i never saw Cole miss more than 6.
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
Didn't think I would have started all this discussion about Andy Cole!
I think it was interesting he was in the England team in PES1 due to his lack of appearances. It was good to see who was on better form out of him and Heskey. And I scored a few good goals with him.

IRL, he seems a confidence player. When he's on form, he'll do great, otherwise...
(Similar to Heskey really)
 
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rebusrahman

Registered User
The diff between Cole and Owen is that I always have had belief that Owen is dangerous. He also can draw defenders as they think he is the main threat (for England) thus giving opportunity to others like Scholes. Yes, Owen has missed chances but the ones I have seen Cole miss are far worse and I didn't just go on the hype. I did watch those wasted chances. I admit Heskey has had too much of a chance but I think they r doing this because he was a England youth player? They don't want it to seem like the system doesn't work.
Also Desailly has never really had pace so perhaps it was easier to run him ragged?
Guess it's academic now as Cole will not play for England again
 
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