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WE7-IJ Vs WE7I-US

bish bosh

Registered User
Hi guys,

I have been reading through the forums and have noticed that a few people have stated that WE7-IJ is better than WE7I-US but nobody says why !!

Could someone please tell me what the differences between the 2 are as I am about to buy a copy and don't want to get the wrong one !!!

I will be patching the game so if this has any bearing on which one to get please say !!

Cheers guys, your help is always greatly appreciated. :)
 

ColdER

Registered User
Buy japan ver. it is better (look at we7 japan impressions thread for answer why) and if you plan patching the game, you will have no problems with jap. version, because many patches are out now - unlike us version.
 

GFK

Registered User
ColdER said:
Buy japan ver. it is better (look at we7 japan impressions thread for answer why) and if you plan patching the game, you will have no problems with jap. version, because many patches are out now - unlike us version.

Couldnt agree more, WE7I Jap is far superior to WE7I USA.
Cheers
 

bish bosh

Registered User
Cheers guys.

I have read through the impresssions posts and all is now clear. Jap version it's gonna be !!!!

thanks again. :)
 

Zygalski

Administrator
The US version is supposed to be very very similar to PES3.
The Jap version has more new features in it.
 

larsson

Administrator
1. We had some threads about WE7:I Jap vs US. The US version is a port of PES3, with a few improvements, like less handballs. Nothing more. The Jap version is the Final Evolution for WE7, like WE6FE was for WE6. The only reason why it´s called International and not Final Evolution is because it´s a multilanguage game compared to previous Final Evolutions.
2. You can´t patch the US version because there aren´t any patches out for the US version and I doubt anyone will do a patch in the future.
 

simmsm88

Registered User
larsson said:
2. You can´t patch the US version because there aren´t any patches out for the US version and I doubt anyone will do a patch in the future.

There's Wolf's or PESFAN's optionfile which updates everything and other stuff
 

larsson

Administrator
An option file has nothing to do with a patch, plus it doesn´t update "everything and other stuff", whatever "everything and other stuff" means, but only names and badges.
 

Edmundo22

Registered User
ive played both alot, to me, we7ij is more focused on team passing (like Korean futbol). we7ius is more focused on a faster game and has more lee-way for "good" players (like Champions League futbol). wejius not only has fixed handballs but the AI is far better than pes3, new animations and generally runs smoother during gameplay. the camera movement is spot on now.

i dont thnk we7ij is better, infact the crossing and corners in we7ij are more unrealistic than we7ius IMO. the way the cpu scores from we7ij is what steered me away, they wud always score from a corner and there is nothing u can do:p at least inwe7ius u can actualy do something to defend corners.

plus i like how good players can make more of an impression in we7ius, in we7ij the good players are hardly better than the average players IMO.

cheers for listening !
 

larsson

Administrator
Ah yes I see, that´s why every patch-maker ignores the US version completely, sounds logical to me :p
The AI in the US version is hardly better than in PES3, it has still the same weak points, eg easy dribbling and stupid strikers.
Your second paragraph shows me that you have played maybe something like 2 games with the Japanese version not more. You can´t defend corners, lol :D
 

Edmundo22

Registered User
how bout the old "find out urself and decide?" :D

but anyway , thats what i did..i can patch it myself :D

ive played pes3(pc) , we7ij(ps2) and we7ius(pc) all over 50 games each at least.i know them well. i always play 5* and when i play ML i dont buy any star players in current European teams, i mite buy Rivaldo now that he is unappreciated. so u cud say im a big fan of this futbol sim series :D

i found the dribbling easier in we7ij due to the increased response and agilty of the we7ij players. to compensate for this we7ij has taken away from the pace and accleration element of EPL & CL futbol IMO. it's a trade off , not neccessarily BETTER. the rest of the game is much the same .. improved AI , improved advantage rule, less handballs.. altho it doesnt have the goalie-drop-and-dribble move.

yeah the "inevitable cpu goal" bug is far more apparent in we7ij..ie. corners and far wing crosses.. it's been widely reported..

how is the AI of we7ij is better than we7ius ?

i was getting very high scores in we7ij on 10min matches , alot of 4-3's 3-2's 4-1's.. in we7ius scores are 1-0's 1-1's 2-0's..
 

larsson

Administrator
Well, I´ve posted my opinions about WE7:I already in the other thread, I´m not going to repeat it again :D, but I don´t agree on everything you´ve said, eg scores aren´t high for me usually, and the AI is much better, the players in the US version move like in PES3, there´s not really a difference, eg central strikers like RVN very often on the wings and not in the middle. I guess if you make a poll 95% of the people will say that the Japanese version is much better.
But it´s ok if you can live with the weaker game ;) :D
 

Edmundo22

Registered User
oh so if 95% of ppl do something u gotta do it too?

il checkout the impressions thread again , but i havent seen 1 solid reason that says WHY or HOW we7ij is better than we7ius, it's more like ppl prefer that style of futbol (team-passing -focused). we7ij is a great game but i prefer what i believe is a closer representation of EPL & CL futbol - we7ius.

how is the AI better? we7ius has the new runs and AI as far as i can tell..
a bug that i seriously questioned in we7ij was when the CB's fallover 4 headers WTF! and leave the cpu CF thru on goal WTF!! i didnt control my CB to do that!!

weaker game ? id like to hear exactly y u think it;s weaker. i reakon we7ij wud be the weaker game cos it has more bugs.

peace.
 

larsson

Administrator
That´s a little paragraph from an official review of WE7:I. Do I have to add anything ? The US version is basically the same like PES3, with a few improvements, and it always was that way, eg WE6:I was the same like PES2 ! That´s it Storyteller Edmundo :p

"Introduction
Well where shall I start?
Lets start with the name, Winning Eleven 7 International. This is the same name as the USA recent release but lets get this right, the game is NOT the same. This has more enhancements and extras that are not present in the USA version, which is basically Pro Evo 3 version 1.5.
The American version has the same game as last years European release of PES3 but still has out of date rosters for the players, some of which are almost laughably out of date."

So keep cool mate and don´t treat us like Newbies, even Konami said that the US version is only a port of PES while the Japanese one is the new Final Evolution.
The discussion ends for me here, have a nice day
 

Edmundo22

Registered User
hehe story teller ;)

didnt mean to treat ya as newbie .. just giving my opinion ..and that is exactly what the reviewer is giving..official review by who? it's just some opinion. i guess it depends if u want/can find out for urself or not..

im cool , but where did KONAMI say we7ius is a port of pes3 ? - i'd like to see that interview/article from KONAMI.

the point that i was making is we7ij and we7ius represent different styles of futbol, they both use the same gameplay model with minor gameplay tweaks to achieve this. it is not a question of better for me, altho i do like how we7ius has less bugs than we7ij IMO.

u havent answred my questions from my previous post?
shame u can't/won't.. i was interested to hear it..

at least we agree to disagree ,peace :)
 

dacprobe

Registered User
You're the man Edmundo! :D These forums were starting to make me feel bad about owning my poor little "PES 3 1.5" U.S. version instead of the, "OMG! I'ts 100x better !" WEI7 japanese ver. Your posts are on point. I also like my games bug and stutter free. ;)
 

Winning 11

Registered User
Edmondo, or whatever the hell your name is, what the HELL is the matter with you young man.. where do you come from...hmm let me guess South America..?? am I right.. you have that "latin" username that`s why I`m assuming that you`re from S.A.
Now, if you played all PES/WE series like you say you did, then don`t you think it`s time to learn how to defend corners and crosses :). ??

Seriously kid, saying that WE7I-US is better than WE7I-J is totally ridiculous in my point of view.. you have 99.9 of this forum telling you things and you have yourself and couple of Americans that watch MLS and talk about WE7I-US being the best.. this is childlish fight but it really bothers me if someone says that Dodge Neon or Ford Focus is better than Mercedes s500 (if you know what I mean).

I don`t know if you know anything about European football..and Champions League..but it`s all about teamwork and passing..it`s nothing like "futbol" that is played down in S.A, however there is alot of skilled footballers from there that play in Europe, and are used to playing European style, so when they play for their National team it gets hard to adjust to that new "gameplay". When I play WE7I-J on star 3 the score will be realistic, and when I play on star 5 the score will STILL be realistic.. while in PES3 or WE7 I can easily score up to 8 goals on star 5 30min match with no good team..
 

Edmundo22

Registered User
hehe no need to make urself seem superior by calling me kid , quite childish ;)
no need to get all "national" about my race or location , that is caveman logic and i won't partake in that kind of oooga boooga ;)

i can defend corners, but my point was that in we7ij the cpu scores more "inevitable goals" mainly from corners..pes3 and we7i pc are vastly different games in terms of AI and gameplay tweaks. how long did u play we7i pc for ?

i own and played we7ij for weeks.. i know what that game offers. ur a perfect example of some1 who prefers the style of futbol that we7ij offers (yes like most ppl).. i and others prefer we7ius .. i know plenty of CL&EPL futbol for that is all i watch :D

ur opinion is noted but i disagree ;)

maybe u can answer the questions i asked larsson in this thread?
 

larsson

Administrator
ok guys, I guess we should discuss these things in here and not in the WE7:I impressions thread, ok ? ;)

I completely agree with W11´s last paragraph, that´s actually the same I wanted to write before I saw he mentioned that already :D
Edmundo, that what you describe as "Korean futbol" is nothing else than "European football", have you ever seen a Premier League game, or Champions League, or the European top nationals ?
It´s all about fast passing, counter attack football, hard crosses and headers. Ever seen Arsenal, Real Madrid, Milan or Roma playing ? Or Holland, France or the Czech Rep. ? You´re scoring an own goal on your argumentation there. This European style of footie is offered by the Japanese version, while it´s simplier to do individual actions on the US version. It´s more an South American style of football, which I, to be honest, hate. It´s nothing personal btw, I don´t know from which country you are and I won´t conclude to your nationality from your name ;)
I´ve tested the US version for a weekend intensively, and I must say, although there are clear improvements, it all reminds me of PES3, it has still crappy refs which give fouls or even yellow cards if you play the ball clearly, it is faster than the Japanese version, which I don´t like and it makes the game unrealistic for me, the crosses still are to soft, and there is this "centre-striker on the wings" bug, which already pissed me off in PES3/WE7, it´s not a problem if you play with a team like Arsenal, where the center striker (Henry) often plays on the wing, but if you play eg with ManU or Inter you have those big guys like RVN or Vieri not in the middle most of the time :mad:
You can defend corners and crosses way better in both, WE7:I Jap and US than in PES3, because defensive headers are improved.
About your question, I hope I´m answering the right ones :p :
It was the review of the official English PS2 mag, that´s why I said it´s an official review, you say it´s only another subjective opinion, well I say it´s your turn to bring on a big gamesmag which says that the Jap version is full of bugs and the US version is better. btw to be honest there are 2 bugs in the Japanese version, one is the number bug which was already mentioned and another one is this free kick bug, that the animation of the free kick is screwed up, it never happened to me in 2 months of playing it, but I´ve heard that from different people and saw an little movie with that bug so I assume it´s real.
To reply the other question, well, it´s quite simple, the US version always was a port of PES and that´s a well known fact, like this review told you, I´m surprised you don´t know it, you will find this info in every game shop I guess, I haven´t searched for that, while the Japanese version of WE7:I is this years Final Evolution, just under another name, for the first time the Jap release is multi-lingual that´s why they decided to call it International and not Final Evolution. We had an interview with the producer Seabass here where he said that, if you do a little search you should find it, it was also posted on evo-web.
 
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