WE8LE Defensive Help needed

[Pro P.I.M.P]

When i first purchased this game i thought that it was amazing but after many problems i am having i am really starting to hate this game and if i dont get it sorted soon i mite give up on this game! I have never ever had problems like this on any other PES game and i am normally solid enough in defence but since i have started to play this game i have had only 1 ever clean sheet which isn't like me on footy games! The main problem for me is how incredibly unrealistic the AI is on this game! I am annoyed because there is nothing really that i can do to stop leaking goals because all the computers goals are always and i mean always the exact same assist pass for each goal! The computer player gets the ball anywhere in my half and just plays a lofted through ball or sometimes a low through ball and even though i have defenders further back from the oppositions striker for some reason the computer controls my defender and makes him run towards the ball and it goes over his head letting the oppositions target man clean through for a one-on-one! These are the only type of goals i concede and i mean the only type so far anyways! When i defended on the previous PES games I held :square: and :R1: with the d-pad running towards my own goal! This helped me because i could position a man always further back incase a good through ball was played whilst holding :square: to make the nearest AI player on my team mark the opposition player in possesion of the ball until he would rob it off them and then i would hit on the counter but in this game when i do that the AI player who i want to pressure the opposition is usually a stupid choice e.g. the opposition right winger running down the right flank, usually in old PES games I would control this situation by just positioning my centre back and making my left back close down and pressure the right winger but in this game when i try to do that i find that it is my centre forward running back from miles behing to try and catch the right winger and getting nowhere near him or one of my centre backs coming flying out of his area and leaving a gap in the defense! In old PES games normally if you tried to apply pressure it would be the player who is supposed to be marking the opposition player that would close them down or the man closest to the opponent with the ball but not with this game! Also i notice that the cursor above my players heads change a whole lot very quickly without me presseng to change it which never used to happen this makes it harder for me to position my player because as i am holding :square: when the cursor keeps changing my players keep taking little bursts towards the opponent with possession and then it changes to a different player and so on leaving massive gaps at the back! Another really annoying thing is that when i recieve the ball with my striker it is normally at the halfway line or even in my own half and it takes too long for my team mates to get up the field and support me so the move breaks down as it is near impossible to outrun players in this game unless you are using Henry! does anyone know how to solve these problems? I hope JMZ comes back because my best days was in PES3 when i had his amazing tactics!

 

[Zygalski]

I'd suggest moving your defence back a few notches and give them high arrow for defence and backward pointing attack arrows. Or use a sweeper.
The square button for pressure doesn't work as well in PES4 and WE8:LE as it used to so I don't use it as much any more.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

I'd suggest moving your defence back a few notches and give them high arrow for defence and backward pointing attack arrows. Or use a sweeper.
The square button for pressure doesn't work as well in PES4 and WE8:LE as it used to so I don't use it as much any more.

Its kinda hard to get to grips with da tactics coz me game is in japanese! how do you defend now? Has anyone else experienced these same problems as myself?

 

[jangle]

change to manual ....

i love WE8:LE, and i think it's more realistic then the old PES/WE game, the AI itself have a lot of improvement (no easy croosing, no easy chip shot goal, etc..),
it's more difficult to control your player i agree, but as soon as you get the grip, you'll score lots of goal !

ps : i never using [ ] button when defending, i just use the combination of X , R1 & R2.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

OK I created my PES formation into this game to see if it would help but it didn't! Its a 3-3-1-3 designed by JMZ and it started off bright enough but it all went downhill from there! I stopped holding square and i must admit that i don't concede goals from flighted through balls but i still concede plenty of goals! I just cant seem to get the ball off the opposition and this is on four star and i always played all other PES games on the highest level but this 1 is too hard for me! The computer hardly ever miss any chances!

 

[jangle]

I just cant seem to get the ball off the opposition

i suggest you try with well balance formation 1st (4-4-2B) until you get use with how to handle the players movement, then try different formation (3-5-2).
I.M.H.O... the key for playing WE8:LE is by making the midfield stronger, put more people there (i sometimes use 2-6-2...edit from 4-4-2B), no rush, keep ball possesion as much as you can.

H.T.H

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Would the JMZ 2-6-2 be any good? It is the same as the classic Brazil default formation!

 

[jangle]

Would the JMZ 2-6-2 be any good? It is the same as the classic Brazil default formation!

i think JMZ 2-6-2 will work too, but mine is different, from basic formation 4-4-2B, i pushed forward the LB & RB to DMF position.
---> 2CB, 2DMF,2CMF,2OMF,2CF

 

[BESIKTASJK]

When i first purchased this game i thought that it was amazing but after many problems i am having i am really starting to hate this game and if i dont get it sorted soon i mite give up on this game! I have never ever had problems like this on any other PES game and i am normally solid enough in defence but since i have started to play this game i have had only 1 ever clean sheet which isn't like me on footy games! The main problem for me is how incredibly unrealistic the AI is on this game! I am annoyed because there is nothing really that i can do to stop leaking goals because all the computers goals are always and i mean always the exact same assist pass for each goal! The computer player gets the ball anywhere in my half and just plays a lofted through ball on sometimes a low through ball and even though i have defenders further back from the oppositions striker for some reason the computer controls my defender and makes him run towards the ball and it goes over his head letting the oppositions target man clean through for a one-on-one! These are the only type of goals i concede and i mean the only type so far anyways! When i defended on the previous PES games I held :square: and :R1: with the d-pad running towards my own goal! This helped me because i could position a man always further back incase a good through ball was played whilst holding :square: to make the nearest AI player on my team mark the opposition player in possesion of the ball until he would rob it off them and then i would hit on the counter but in the game when i do that the AI player who i want to pressure the opposition is usually a stupid choice e.g. the opposition right winger running down the right flank, usually in old PES games I would control this situation by just positioning my centre back and making my left back close down and pressure the right winger but in this game when i try to do that i find that it is my centre forward running back from miles behing to try and catch the right winger and getting nowhere near him or one of my centre backs coming flying out of his area and leaving a gap in the defense! In old PES games normally if you tried to apply pressure it would be the player who is supposed to be marking tghe opposition player that would close them down or the man closest to the opponent with the ball but not with this game! Also i notice that the cursor above my players heads change a whole lot very quickly without me presseng to change it which never used to happen this makes it harder for me to position my player because as i am holding :square: when the cursor keeps changing my players keep taking little bursts towards the opponent with possession and then it changes to a different player and so on leaving massive gaps at the back! Another really annoying thing is that when i recieve the ball with my striker it is normally at the halfway line or even in my own half and it takes too long for my team mates to get up the field and support me so the move breaks down as it is near impossible to outrun players in this game unless you are using Henry! does anyone know how to solve these problems? I hope JMZ comes back because my best days was in PES3 when i had his amazing tactics!

I have exactly same problems with pes4

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

I have exactly same problems with pes4

I had no probz gettin to grips with PES4 but i read that the defensive side had been improved but its only the cpu controlled defenders but not the ones in my team! I will try the JMZ formation and then get back to u guys!

 

[libin]

I use 4-4-2, 4 defenders are more than enough to get the ball from the computer. Just don't rush forward for the ball, hold ur players back until it's really close and when they try to do a power shot, just go forward and block their shots. That's my way of defending and it works most of the time. But, it the team u are playing is much worse than u (like Arsenal vs. Norwich) just push ur player foward and put pressure because their strikers suk big time. If in any case they got through one fo ur defenders, just slide using the other as they have to slow down during their tricks.
p.s. one general tip when playing is that u have to have good dmf. I play Arsenal so i have Gilberto and Vieira. And always try to follow wat other strikers are going using ur dmfs. And if ur opponents play forward press, like ManU, just put ur mfs and dfs slightly back and get a player that can loob the ball nicely, if he passes well and ur striker is similar to Henry, u should have a 1v1 or just loob the ball over the keeper from a distance.

 

[observer]

food for thoughts

Pro P.I.M.P,

I can feel your frustration with defense in this game. It is not easy, I know. I really want to chime in this discussion and help you, but this would take around 2 precious hours of time to post some good formations and defense tactics. I hope I can find time for this later. I will try to add some brief remarks here, you might use them as "food for thoughts"!

1. As you might know already, defense is what seperates men from boys here. If you have good defense, you can use less players in defense and spare more players to participate in offense. How many players you should use in the back depends on how good you are, and ofcourse how skilled your opponent. I don't have any difficulty in defense against CPU, so I usually defend with 3. However, against human opponent, I usually use 4.

2. In defense, the key to have a good defense is the smart use :square:. That is a absolutely important more than any other previous version. During the defense postion, I use :R1: to mark my defender, then press :Square: to call from assistance from the nearest player, usually Midfeild players. It is amazing how difference it makes. This closes down on the attacker as he gets trapped easily. Try it in some friendly matches, and have a grip of this skill cause it is crucial, I think. make sure to apply :square: alone not :x: and :square: as the later will make your defender rush to face the attacker and leave his man. Hope I am making this clear.

3. I shared my opinion with you before about jMz formation you are currently using. jMz is a master, but this formation is not really secured in the back and not the best to use, at least at this stage.

4. I have been experimenting with formations a lot, try the following set up and let me know how it works with you:
4*1*2*3

---------GK---------
---------SW---------
---CB----------CB----
---------------------
---------CB----------
---------------------
---------CMF--------
---------------------
--------------OM----
---------------------
----OM--------------
---------------------
--WF------------WF-
---------CF----------


I wish there is an online tool in this form where we can add formation, it would magnificent and easier to illustrate :blush: ! I always postpone the idea of creating a template using powerpoint or visio, but I got to do it

Anyway, the idea here is to use 4 CB, 3 and a SW. The CB in the front act as a first defense line, or I might say second after the DMF or CM ( I prefer CM with back arrows). you can use 4*3*3 B, if you need to secure your defense more. As a lot of details need to be added here to this formation, I am not recommending this formation here as much as I recommend to try to use this set up in the back, I hope it works for you. However, sometimes I use this formation and I score a lot with it, and meanwhile, my defense is well covered. If you are having the right players, this formation is a goal waiting to happen !
Just make sure to give left and right back arrows to this poor CM

There is a lot to be add here in terms or arrows, strategies, techniques, I might have time to add this later plus some other formation, if your interested.

Hope this is helpful.

Take care all

-Observer

PS. Till we are blessed with an online tool, If anyone has the time to sketch a formation template that we can all use, that would be really appreciated. Try to use a popular program such as powerpoint, or Microsoft Visio or others. Thanks

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Mate I have already tried using the R1 and square technique in this game! Observer you definately seem like you could help! Plz read my first post a little more carefully as i have explained my problem with this technique & plz try to help if u can mate!

 

[Luay]

This is how you do it

Liveware Evoloution: If you set the difficulty level above 3 stars, then using R2 in ALL THE MOVES makes the difference. The effect of the R2 button is an increase in precession and a decrease in speed. In more simple terms for the REAL WE fans, it takes the game back to the days of WE6I's accurate controls.
In Defence, Use [] with R1 to make assistant close in on opponent while approaching him with your player. If you don't want to be brushed aside when you are defending, position your self as near as possible to opponent then HOLD R2 (see how your player locks on the opponent) AND MAKE YOUR MOVE (x or 0) or just tap direction pad towards the ball when its distanced away from oponent as he dribbles. If you tackle when the ball is touched by opponent, he might pass through you. KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL (Its how real defenders play). If this doesn't work, go back to WE8.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Once again mate i am trying this technique! Read my first post properly and it will say the problem that i am having with this technique!

 

[filthydani]

Don't press X unless when the opponent is going to pass or shot, don't hold x mindlessly, and don't use high defensives arrows for the defense, just set the quick settings to (good balance) and choose a formation like 4-4-2 (2 DM,2OH)... its a good formation but not when you are losing, and about the R2, I don't think its useful, holding R2 is just like holding Square, that means it will ask you team mate to leave his spot and cover your back, and that will create a lot of space for the opponent, the best thing to do in defense is never hold the x unless you are 100% sure you will be able to intercept the pass

KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL

Watching the ball is the WORST THING you can ever do as a defender, you should watch the players not the ball

 

[observer]

Mate I have already tried using the R1 and square technique in this game! Observer you definately seem like you could help! Plz read my first post a little more carefully as i have explained my problem with this technique & plz try to help if u can mate!

Pro,
I made a mistake, I meant to say L1 not R1 to mark your defendant, and use square to use you midfeild to narrow down on the opponent.

I will read you post again tomorrow and try chime in...
Got to hit the sack now

-Observer

 

[Luay]

"and about the R2, I don't think its useful, holding R2 is just like holding Square, that means it will ask you team mate to leave his spot and cover your back"

Dude, play a match on 3 stars, pass the ball around with X without holding R2 and then do it again holding R2. Passer and receiver act differently. They automaticly move away from an opponent, giving him no chance to block the pass. Shots with R2 are slower but almost impossible to stop if you are 1 on 1 with the goal keeper. Bycicle kicks and one touch vollies become easier too if you hold R2 and position your recieving player correctly.
As for Defence, R2 makes you lock on the defender facing him as he dribbles just like in Metroid. Your tackle will be more precise but you will become slower.

Are you running in the wrong direction but don't have enough time to stop and change your angle? CHANGE YOUR ANGLE WHILE RUNNING WITH R1 BY HOLDING R2 with R1.

Once again play on an easy setting and play a whole game holding the R2 button and find out for your self what you can and can't do.

PIMP I ahve read your post and didn't see you mention using R2.

 

[filthydani]

Do you know that you lose ACCURACY with R2?

And when defending, try to hold R2 for long and see how your team mate will act, he will leave his spot to cover your back, have you tried that?

 

[Luay]

Yes I couldn't explain it so I suggested to play a game holding R2 and know for your self what you can and can't do. Only hold R2 in defence when you are ready to tackle or want to stay near defender when he is in front of you. If your oponent is changing sides, locking on him will make it harder for him to dribble. If you are able to slow the opponent down then you have an advantage. Dont hold R2 when you are behind the opponent or trying to takle him from the side as the decrease in speed is not in your favour in that position. Accuracy might not be the word I should have used but the controls become much more rsponsive if I play with R2 especially when I am moving without the ball. What do you think?