What do you see wrong with pes08?

[john4]

in truth alot of what people are bringing up is from older versions to back an argument they dont have.PES2008 is not out yet and many have stated the demo is alot different.

the only problems that ruined pes6 was the full backs thinking there centre backs and you having to chase them to a wing position all the time thus getting say mathieu with like 94stamina,knackered before an hour.and yes the ball often did start favouring the AI and did get frustrating,when this happens,guess what i finish that game and then turn it off and do something else,i dont throw a hissy fit and bin the game since i know next time i come to play it there will be a complete difference in events.
it never started to favour them that bad that i would lose.the main problem was the 360 version online,i could create countless chances and put open goals wide just coz it seemed scripted for the other player,very frustrating,again i didnt throw a hissy fit and bin the game,i turned it off for another time,i didnt cry coz my 7 game unbeaten run was ended as who gives a fuck.
minor problems that just need ironing out but people cant seem to react normally but easily overreact at small things.

in truth the only person i can agree with is MURC since hes complainin,fair does,hes stopped playing the game because he doesnt like the problems,the others are just maoning for the hell of it but i can pretty much guarntee theyl buy it,play it religiously for a while,notice some problems and make a massive deal outta them.

 

[john4]

Well I just saw a video of the actual gameplay and it was pretty dissapointing. As stated by so many people, the improvments if any are minor. Over the time of one year, everything has changed, Fifa is now the beautiful game with realistic gameplay and PES is turned into an arcade game. The players in PES move so fast and sets up for an unrealistic game. I am also furstrateda at Konami for the amount of game modes. Online play is on 2v2 and Master League. So if we are judging by gameplay, Fifa wins. If we are judging by overall game, Fifa is ahead by a mile.

i dunno if you have played fifa but my thoughts are completley opposite to yours,FIFA seems like the beutiful game for like 2 games,then boredom kicks in

 

[lfcboy]

i dunno if you have played fifa but my thoughts are completley opposite to yours,FIFA seems like the beutiful game for like 2 games,then boredom kicks in

I disagree with that but respect your opinions. If you play Fifa for a while and then go watch a footy match you'll see the resemblence between the both. You see that in Fifa the players work for the ball, there are so many different options for the players. This year, something people have not noted about Fifa is size of the field. It is prettty large and actually looks like a real pitch. It adds a lot of realism when your on the brake against the other player and there is so muich space. Don't get me wrong. I think that PES will be a fun game and I will definetely buy it but I personally, this year, I get more staisfaction from scoring a goal in Fifa than PES.

 

[PacMan]

I think you are exaggerating how good you are at the game in order to try to bolster your opinion here. Simply put, you are definitely not great at the game (which is fine by me) judging by the complaints that you have

Well, judging by your responses right now, you couldn't be more of a fanboy if you tried. What can I DO to convince you that I don't lie? Or even better, why should I? You just read what you want to read. Well, I can assure you that I am as good as I say I am, and that many of my mates, the ones I play with face to face, are much better, and we all think Seabass is watching too much TV these days.

...because they all think the game is way too easy and would welcome anything to make it harder.

You missed the point completely. They put that in there because they have no REALLISTIC way of makin the game harder. Instead of crippling the player's attack and making the keeper a super man, improve the bloddy defence. It's an artificial solution to quite a big problem. In the PS1 days keepers were OK and attacking players were OK, and by the end of the year you were capable of winning games 9-0 with an average team. Do you think it would be any different now, were the cheating and weirdness removed? No.
OK, so THAT needs some work. Or maybe Seabass just found those cheap solutions and stuck with them for 3-4 years, which in my view is as shit as it gets.

I'm sorry, I don't personally care if you are good at the game or not but most of your complaining can be solved with simple practice.

They are solved by practicing, and I do win, as I said 3 times already, but it shouldn't be that way. You can win Gothic 3 by practicing, but that doesn't take away the fact that some gameplay bugs it has are capable of making you wanting to hurl things around.

In a few weeks, half of the complainers will disappear because they'll have learned what they were doing wrong.

Well, I must be the other half then. You seem to be of the opinion that if you (and particularly, YOU) win, then the game rocks. So I guess I can see why you think that anyone who complains must be losing. The thing is, people can win and still complain!

A few 'lifers' like murc will still be hanging around to slate the game and harken us back to the supposed "glory days" of PES, whether it be PES 4, PES 5, PES 3... but make no mistake, those games weren't any more realistic

No, they weren't, but we weren't in 2007 and they weren't next gen games. By "next gen" I expected something more than "cute graphs," I expected something like "new engine," or solutions to fairly stupid gameplay problems.

and Konami didn't have some different philosophy or a better work ethic back then

No, PRECISELY the problem! It was not so clear before, but it's just getting to be quite OBVIOUS by now, and insulting to the loyal customer who buys the game every year.

it's just the last time they were able to perform the way they wanted to in the game.

Or maybe it's the last times the game was "great" by the standards of its time. But the game hasn't really changed in years, has it?

 

[PacMan]

As weird as it is to write this, I agree with Mat and lfcboy on the FIFA issue.

And yes, john4, I will still buy this game. I would love to tell you it's because next-gen FIFA is not out for the PC, but that's not so. Even if FIFA were out and even if I wanted to play that other game everyday for this entire year, I would still get PES 2008. Why? Well, I don't know. Maybe I'm more of a fanboy than I think.

Do any of you know if Seabass and his team read the forums in KONAMI? There a few threads like these there. Ahh, but they probably don't.

 

[]NikE[]

Im edging towards buying fifa aswell. I played it the other night with 2 of my mates. Had a night in playing some 360. I did actually enjoy myself playing it and as someone said you do have to work for a goal. The only thing thats a negative for me is the lack of edit mode. PES still has something there with that but i may buy both for the first time ever! better still buy my first fifa since 2004!

 

[MatTheCat]

i dunno if you have played fifa but my thoughts are completley opposite to yours,FIFA seems like the beutiful game for like 2 games,then boredom kicks in

YUP!!!!

 

[MatTheCat]

I get more staisfaction from scoring a goal in Fifa than PES.

NOPE!!!

Whilst I get more satisfaction from the build up play in FIFA and trying to gain a pressing hold on the midfiled game.......Scoring on FIFA is just like ......Nothing.....I have scored crackers on FIFA and it just feels kind of bland and kind of like it was more the AI than myself that got the goal....

Despite its shortcomings, PES is still the best footie game around........unfortunately.


(not counting SENSI SOCCER OF COURSE).

 

[lfcboy]

Are you talking about Fifa 08. I have scored a couple of goals from outside of the box and it feels awsome. The spin on the ball is spectacular and the way players shoot is great. Also the posture of players depending on who shoots is very real. For instance, Klose shoots different thatn C. Ronaldo.

 

[djminimaxx]

mhmmm....idk bout that

 

[john4]

Are you talking about Fifa 08. I have scored a couple of goals from outside of the box and it feels awsome. The spin on the ball is spectacular and the way players shoot is great. Also the posture of players depending on who shoots is very real. For instance, Klose shoots different thatn C. Ronaldo.

i considered getting FIFA after the demo came out but then i thought i want half life 2 with portal ect,then theres PES which i know i will play religiously when i get into a ML.non the less i did like FIFA a bit till PES demo came out,but from distance FIFA does look good,but i dont feel the shooting,i just dont feel im in control and i always get saved one on one wen i should be scoring,yet on the demo this is,i ran from the centre and hit from outside are with eto'o and scored,which seemed easy.i might sell summat i dont play,buy FIFA give it a fair chance and sell if i dont like.

the most annoying thing on the demo was the fact it lasted like 2mins,so it was very difficult to get into.

 

[lfcboy]

Agreed John, it is very furstrating in the demo cause just as the players begin to get tired and the space opens up, the game finishes in the demo. It'll be a whole lot different in the actual game. John, what system are you going to get it on.

 

[Jake Small]

Thanks for the post Pacman, I do see where you are coming from and why you are frustrated. I don't mean to suggest you are some newb, sorry if it came off that way, and yeah I get frustrated with the game too.

It's just that every single year a bunch of people crop up to tell us why the new version is terrible, why Fifa is better, why Seabass has failed, and every single year so far (for me) I end up really enjoying the new version and finding massive amounts of improvement. There are a few problems with PES but heck, there are always going to be a few problems. And I really do believe that for most of people's complaints, there are actual things you can learn about in game and do to solve them. I understand your point that you shouldn't have to find annoying workarounds for errors in the game, but that's not really what I'm talking about.

We had a tournament recently with about 8 guys. Some of them are not very good, and they would get frustrated as hell sometimes because they'd launch the ball upfield to Ibrahimovic, and somebody like Chivu would win the ball off him. "That's not how it should be! Unrealistic!" they would shout, but it's only because I (as Roma) understood things about the game better than they did; where to super cancel my player to receive the bounce, and this type of thing.

I would respect most of the haters' points in this thread a lot more if I agreed with many of them. John up there brings up a GOOD one! Full back AI needs improving. They do not play very well defensively position-wise. Good point. Actual problem with the game.

The ball bouncing to your opponent all the time? It is a non-issue. The computer just outplays you.

Many "problems" are like this.

You have LFC up there talking about how Fifa wins hands down in the gameplay department because he saw some video of the PES demo being played. Give me a break.

I'd love to get the opinions of some tournament winners or JMZ or people around here that know the game really well, on the new gameplay changes.

 

[Original?]

I'd love to get the opinions of some tournament winners or JMZ or people around here that know the game really well, on the new gameplay changes.

If Zygalski condemns the game I might be worried.

 

[Jake Small]

The stuff about it being more arcadey and more 'free flowing' and dribbling being easier has me a little freaked out. PES6 already seemed to favor dribbling and it seemed too fast.

 

[St.Zwailla]

1st of fifa is TRASH ! case closed and this new pes will be ... myOmy ....
big improvement

 

[john4]

Agreed John, it is very furstrating in the demo cause just as the players begin to get tired and the space opens up, the game finishes in the demo. It'll be a whole lot different in the actual game. John, what system are you going to get it on.

i have a 360 so i shall get it on that,dont really use pc for games.my brother has got fifa 07 coz he didnt get his xbox till like 3months ago so didnt see the point in buying PES6 since he didnt like it as much as the ps2 version he use to have,but he has Fifa 07 which came with it and has been doing the manager mode.he still feels PES is much better but can see where FIFA is improving.problem ive had on that whilst playing co-op with him is the scoring again.i dunno maybe im just useless at shooting on it,tho i did score a looping belter with Gilberto Silva,i was shocked coz i didnt think FIFA could do such things.

EDIT. my 360 just died,3 red lights shite.so maybe il get it fixed and sell it,by a ps3 coz that shits pissed me right off

We had a tournament recently with about 8 guys. Some of them are not very good, and they would get frustrated as hell sometimes because they'd launch the ball upfield to Ibrahimovic, and somebody like Chivu would win the ball off him. "That's not how it should be! Unrealistic!" they would shout, but it's only because I (as Roma) understood things about the game better than they did; where to super cancel my player to receive the bounce, and this type of thing.




I'd love to get the opinions of some tournament winners or JMZ or people around here that know the game really well, on the new gameplay changes.

your point about the super cancel pretty much hits the nail on the head for me.i always learn all the little tricks and use the super cancel to jolste for high balls,in the area or just punted up field as it helps,its how i score off of most corners. all of my mates dont use or know about the super cancel and are always moaning when i nip in front of them with tiny martins and head in near post before ayala or sum1 can even move.iv told my brother countless times how to do the supercancel and he just doesnt get his head around it so when i play PES with him when im visiting after like 1 vs' game where he gets like 1 shot,unless i slack off to stop him moaning,we have to go into the world cup together as he rightly so gets frustrated that i win everything in the air and get to through balls 1st ect. not the games fault but his...............

 

[PacMan]

I'm glad we finally found something in common Jake. Perhaps I complained too hard at the beginning. It's just that I have always noticed these nuances in PES games, but I've never mouthed a complaint before.

For example, I'm not saying that my players NEVER react to high balls unless I send them on a run myself, but in the majority of the cases you'll see them following the ball with their eyes like idiots while the defenders marking them make haste to actually get to it. Someone suggested super cancel, and I say, hey, you're right, but why should I super cancel that? Super cancel should be for exceptional cases, not for things that the players should be able to do on their own. Perhaps they'll not be able to choose the best trajectory to the ball, and I can use super cancel to correct it, but not moving their legs at all? I don't see the "I" in that AI.

I guess I had great expectations regarding this version, and they were not fulfilled in the least. I still hold my point that Seabass is lazy, though.

Basically, I don't complain that the game has changed for the worse, that it is too easy or too hard. It's like every new PES, and I feel it has not changed enough. I admit there are some small things that make a great difference, though. Player control is miles ahead, and possession and passing (Argentina-style) players like me are greatly benefited in this version. I've already been able to score some exquisite teamwork goals in Top Player and I've been playing for what, one week and half?

I'm cooling off now, but I still feel there could have been so much more work in it... a pity really. I guess if they didn't rework these things while moving platforms, they won't do it next year. Ahh, well...

 

[]NikE[]

1st of fifa is TRASH ! case closed and this new pes will be ... myOmy ....
big improvement

News for ya!
fifa isn't "TRASH" this year!
its been trash since 2003 but they've made a massive improvement this year!
Considering that im thinking about buying the thing!
Seems PES has made an improvement aswell but it just needs that little bit more to better itself.
If it doesn't happen next year then who knows what'll happen if Fifa 09 turns out to be better than 08.

 

[St.Zwailla]

News for ya!
fifa isn't "TRASH" this year!
its been trash since 2003 but they've made a massive improvement this year!
Considering that im thinking about buying the thing!
Seems PES has made an improvement aswell but it just needs that little bit more to better itself.
If it doesn't happen next year then who knows what'll happen if Fifa 09 turns out to be better than 08.

poor game ! they copy PES in every segment ! i mean ... compare finishing in PES and in FIFA ... ?? or even when you want to jump and hit corner kick ...
fifa only have kits/license(FULL)...
Just look back at WE3,WE4,PES3,PES4 ... they are far more attractive in gameplay ...
but thats just my opinion...