Just phoned Konami...

[Gaffa07]

this is a bit differnet to a sandwhich, yes i agree your principle is the same, but PES2008 isn't gonna go off, or go rotten after a month.

Are you sure about that matey? Seems like its well past its sell by date. lol

 

[PacMan]

yeah, plus GTA4

A) does not have any direct competition, like pes and fifa.

Well, but they released PES quite a while after FIFA anyway. Besides, all the PES fans would've played FIFA until PES was released, so that point is not valid. Many people play both, and only FIFA players play FIFA exclusively. PES would sell a lot any time of the year.

B) isn't really time dependant, like it would have seemed silly to me to have pes released in march 2008, when it is traditionally known that any sports game being released with the YEAR in its title needs to be released a couple of months before the corrosponding year actually starts, not 3 months into it.

Says which law? It's only a consensus, they can break it and the world will not fall apart. The US got PES 2007 on 2007, and nobody has died from it. If it is such a big problem, then go back to the numbers in the title.

but i stillstand by my theory that fifa being the only next gen footie game out Konami had no choice but to release when they did otherwise fifa would have got WAY to much of the spotlight.

Same as point 1. FIFA got the spotlight anyway, but anyone who wants to play PES will buy it when it comes out, be it October, December or next year's March. Isn't it a bit naive thinking that the success of a game is based more on the release date being as close as possible to the competitor's than on its quality?

And I agree with ficklered. It's a trend now that games are released buggy, untested and unfinished, and patches are released almost from day 1. I think this sucks, it's a sign of total disrespect for the customers, and we shouldn't put up with it. A game can survive being postponed for months, but sometimes they don't survive being released as buggy games and then patched to become the best in their genre, because the height of the attention they get from the public and the media (reviews, etc) is on the moment they are released, not after it's patched (remember Ascendancy?).

On a side note, Seabass' team is already small, if they have to be patching the game on all friggin platforms for months, what's going to become of PES 2009? They'll start working on it by June, for christ's sake, and it'll be the shittiest PES to date.

 

[zeemeister]

I am enjoying PES2008 alot but will be buying FIFA08 after 10 years.

The writing was on the wall when Seabass said he wasn't happy with the game a few weeks before the release. He better not pull a stunt like that again.

 

[Gaffa07]

PES all the way, for the time being that is!! I haven't touched FIFA since its early days in the 90's and I don't ever plan too!!!!!!!!!

 

[deanos63]

Well, but they released PES quite a while after FIFA anyway.

not really, it was weeks, not months, in gaming terms it's a short period.

Besides, all the PES fans would've played FIFA until PES was released, so that point is not valid.

I most certainly didn't, and wouldn't have dreamed of buying FIFA a few weeks before PES, and this is my point, if Konami had waited months then this is EXACTLY what would have happened, do they really want to risk people buying FIFA then getting hooked on that game and not coming back to PES?

Says which law? It's only a consensus, they can break it and the world will not fall apart. The US got PES 2007 on 2007, and nobody has died from it. If it is such a big problem, then go back to the numbers in the title.

I didn't say the world would fall apart, and i don't think the market is as big for PES in america as it is in Europe.

anyway the game has been released now, lets just hope things get fixed.

 

[PacMan]

I most certainly didn't, and wouldn't have dreamed of buying FIFA a few weeks before PES, and this is my point, if Konami had waited months then this is EXACTLY what would have happened, do they really want to risk people buying FIFA then getting hooked on that game and not coming back to PES?

If a PES/neutral player gets hooked on FIFA, and then he tries PES and doesn't like it, that means PES is shite. If after getting hooked on FIFA we try a finished, polished, nice version of PES, I'm sure we'll be hooked by it. At least as far as the gameplay goes.
The only thing they gain by releasing the game like this is people like me thinking they don't give a crap about the players, they just care about meeting a deadline, which might have been a little unreal this year to begin with, considering the size of the team.

I don't think release dates are that important. Ultimately it will be the best and deepest game that takes the credit and "converts" people. Only fan boys or people who choose some flashy aspect of the game over actual gameplay will keep on playing the worst one.

 

[fick]

anyway the game has been released now, lets just hope things get fixed.

Now this i agree with but only as we have no other choice!

If a PES/neutral player gets hooked on FIFA, and then he tries PES and doesn't like it, that means PES is shite. If after getting hooked on FIFA we try a finished, polished, nice version of PES, I'm sure we'll be hooked by it. At least as far as the gameplay goes.

Games are as you allude to, all about personal choice. Hey, i bought FIFA this year mainly to see it it had improved. It had, but not enough. I still intended getting PES anyway, as i think a lot of people have.

I don't think release dates are that important. Ultimately it will be the best and deepest game that takes the credit and "converts" people. Only fan boys or people who choose some flashy aspect of the game over actual gameplay will keep on playing the worst one.

And this is why release dates are not the main issue. While in the past GTA might have had no direct competition, the future isn't quite so rosy. Rockstar will have to seriously uop the ante as many new sandbox style games are on the horizon. Even RPG's are veering towards the sandbox, free play method.

I think on the whole, all fans of pixelated footy would appreciate a complete, flawless albeit late version of a game, rather than something that causes so much controversy.