The disappointing fact about PES 2008.

[Stormrider]

Maybe near the end of ps3 life cycle or when the ps4 comes out we'll see about all these extra stats and skills, until then we keep dreaming. Anyways I'm really enjoying pes 2008 for ps2, gameplay is ace. Give it a try and maybe you'll feel better about pes.

 

[Sho]

Shit, will this moaning will ever end, c'mon people if you don't like the game play something else.

 

[Amateur]

Shit, will this moaning will ever end, c'mon people if you don't like the game play something else.

Shit, will this pointless replies ever end!! By the way - I'm not playing PES 2008, I'm playing something else. In the meanwhile I will continue moaning, thank you.

 

[Amateur]

Maybe near the end of ps3 life cycle or when the ps4 comes out we'll see about all these extra stats and skills, until then we keep dreaming. Anyways I'm really enjoying pes 2008 for ps2, gameplay is ace. Give it a try and maybe you'll feel better about pes.

Yeah, maybe when the PS4 comes out -but- I remember when FIFA 2002 came out, the game had only 7 to 10 Skills - Then by 2006, we already had PES with 29+ Skills and like 15 Special Abilities.

Point is, that in the long run - New Skill will be nessesary, and given the fact that the first PES for PS3 aleady has like 30 Skills - it seems very possible that the PS3 can manage 35 to 40 Skills. But then again it is convenient for Konami for people to think that such Skills, and etc, etc.. will take years to develop - it gives Konami (or EA Sports) the advantage of introducing New Skills and Features Slowly. And thus giving us a new reason to buy the latest versions of their Football game.

Anyways, I am playing PES 2007 - wich is pretty much the same exact thing as PES 2008 on PS2

 

[Amateur]

yes,football isn't just dribbling and pace but opening ur opponents defence up in a variety of ways but in PES 2008 U DO GET THE FEELING THAT THAT'S THE KEY TO DO IT. UR RIGHT ABOUT HENRY ALSO , he struggles in SPAIN because he lacks the explosiveness players like maradonna have and that's also why he struggles in the FRENCH team also because he is used in the center (CF)and doesn't get the space he needs to reach his top speed.
That's also why he isn't a CF in the game.

i do agrre with the fact that atleast in PES the difference between players is lightyears ahead compared to FIFA, BUT STILL THIS IS THE PS3 we were all looking forward to with it's endless possibilities so if we already had these statts and playing styles on the PS2 we can atleast ask for more on the PS3

THE long pass i also think is an issue yes,because in real life u have players that can give u a beautifull lofted pass but still with the amount off power that makes it easy to controle and then u have the players that can give u a long pass with almost or now loft at all but with much more power that makes it alot more difficult to controle.
the long pass accuracy and the long pass speed statts just doesn't cover all the possibilities.
i also feel that long passes can be done by every player when ur in ur own half and that the statts start to matter when ur in the opponnents half and try to give a cross or take a corner or free kick and that shouldn't be the case.

through passes are too easy if u ask me ( that should be a special skill)because how many players can actually give a deadly through pass in real life? not that much because it's an art to give the ball enough pace to get through the small spaces or defence but with enough spin on it to make it slow down just about were u expect ur winger or striker to be at that time and when done perfectly u can break down the best defence.

Shielding isn't really possible to do in the game u are right about that but that will be tricky don't u think because in real life it's already difficult to perform and that's what makes the zidane's, valderama's and riquelme's so great to watch so if they could pull that off in a game i would be really impressed.
but atleast what we asking for are things that will make the game increadable because when i read some off the wishlists for PES 2009 i sometimes do wonder what's wrong with some people.

when all these abbilities are implemented well you would have to be carefull no mather who you play against because then it wouldn't be the overall statts from a team that would only make them dangerous but the players and all the possibilities the cpu or ur human opponnent has to play against u. the eleven players that are on the field and the tactics used will be that more importent then just the pace and the dribbling.
because this isn't covered yet most people select barca and inter or machester united online.
but when we get all these abbilities u won't be afraid to use VILLAREAL OR GETAFE AND SEVILLA BECAUSE IF U USED ALL THE PLAYERS CAPACITIES U WOULD BE ABLE TO BEAT ANY TEAM.

then u will really feel like a coach ( like WENGER OR THE VILLAREAL COACH ,I FORGOT HIS NAME)and start the season without a team of stars and still challenge for the chapionship by knowing ur players and using them well.

I'm 100% certain that Shielding is possible in the PS3 - As a matter of fact Shielding is possible in PES 2007 and 2008; In 2008 if you let go of all the buttons, the player will Shield the ball from opponents -but- the flaw is that you can only Shield the ball by not using any buttons, or by standing. And the other issue with the Shielding, is that there's no such thing as a Shielding Skill, so everyone protects the ball in almost identical fashion.

I think Shielding should be something that the player does automatic - an advantage of having a player like Riquelme or Figo in your team. And Shielding should be possible to do while standing, running, etc, etc.. Of course Shielding could also be similar to Dribbling Tricks - that is by the use of a fixed button.


Anyways, you mentioned that yo expected more from the PS3 - That's exactly my point! Plenty of people are claiming that they are satisfied with PES 2008 - And everyon's entitled to their opinion, but how can they be satisfied?? I mean, this so called New Gen Football Game has the same exact system of Skills and Special Abilities that PES had 4 years ago!! I mean, this is suposed to be a New Gen Game -why!!- Does it uses the Same OLD SYSTEM as the PS2 versions?? This is not what I paid for, that's not what I expected from a PS3 Football Game, and it is definitely not worth the money.

 

[Amateur]

....about absolutely nothing....

There are a million issues on the 'to do list' much more important than Amteur's 'stats'. Get the game engine correct first, then fix the online, then bring graphics up to seamless next gen capabilities, then bring back options that existed in previous PES games but have been omitted from PES08, and then introduce yet more stupid animal heads into the edit mode. Only then should Konami start worrying about damn stats (of which there are about 40-50 visible to us, and around 150 'hidden' stats that the gamer does not get to see or edit.

Well I'm disappointed about the way you think about New Skills or Stats. I've read some of your posts, and I know that your probably one of the best players in this forum - and probably you are right about "Getting the engine correct first.." "Then fix Online", etc, etc..

But you have to admit that in the long run - New Stats will be a must. Even the good old PES versions such as PES 9 needed New Stats - Maybe the PS2 couldn't manage it, but that excuse doesn't works on the PS3 - We all know that the PS3 is capable of a much better game than Konami's disappointing PES 2008.

 

[SuperDann]

And the other issue with the Shielding, is that there's no such thing as a Shielding Skill, so everyone protects the ball in almost identical fashion.

...Body Balance perhaps ?

 

[Amateur]

...Body Balance perhaps ?

That would be a good idea -but- Body Balance is mostly for confrontations, etc, etc.. I've Shielded the ball with a couple of different players, and all of them protect the ball in the same identical way.

And, issue remains that - to Shield the ball from opponents, you must let go of all the buttons and you the player must be in a standing position.. And sometimes, for no apparent reason at all the player just doesn't protects the ball - So even if I let go of all the buttons, there's no guarantee that the player will Shield the ball, most of the time they do Shield it, but sometimes they don't. I think Shielding should be performed by a fixed button (just like step-overs), and it should be possible in various situations; Standing, running, etc, etc..