stottmeister
Registered User
does it still have that alterate shooting button, the precise aiming thingy. no one has mentioned this yet
Official PES 2009 Demo Feedback
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R9NALD9
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pleasure dude
Baddar
Registered User
Impressions after playing two games as Man Utd vs. Real Madrid, on Top Player;
I'll start off with...
The Bad
-It seems as though you can still pass around your defence at will for as long as you like. You're definitely closed down quicker by the forward, but there's nothing stopping you passing it to the next player and repeating the process. One note though is that I was playing as United, so it might be even harder as a smaller team. Again, the closing down has improved on it, but it could still be better.
-The ball makes too much noise. It shouldn't be as loud as it is, especially in the middle of the field. If you could hear it out wide, near the microphones in the stadium, fair enough. But it's too loud at the moment. Not a major issue though.
-As I found out in game two, the AI still scores wonderful free-kicks with the keeper seemingly diving far enough to save it, but not bothering to put his arm out. This has only happened once (the only goal I've seen so far) so hopefully it's not something that happens too often, as it did in 08.
-Players are still given yellow cards for perfect tackles. It wouldn't be so bad if FK's were given on occasion when you win the ball. That's fair enough. But the ref tends to pull out a card even when you've won it cleanly. What's more, when tackles fly in that you think warrant a booking, only a FK is awarded. Obviously, this could depend on what referee was in charge, as PES have used referees with different tolerance levels, rather than them all being the same.
-Old squads. Saha is still at United along with Campbell. No Berbatov either. Hopefully, that'll be sorted for the proper game release.
And now...
The Good
-Slower gameplay, but everyone who read the reviews knew that.
-Graphics are a lot smoother. See above.
-If you build an attack and hit a shot wide of the post, there's no rush in pressing start to view the replay. You can view the replay of the previous chance even after the animation for the keeper to take the goal kick has loaded.
-Pitch is a lot bigger. It might seem at first like you've got a lot more space so that it's even easier to exploit the AI than in 08. Well, that's wrong. The closing down from the AI is excellent in midfield. And you can no longer burn past a player on the wing with ease. The WB's were half decent last year I thought, but now they've been upped in quality even more.
-One on ones are harder. Or so it seems. I've been one one one with the keeper only once, right of the penalty spot. Before you could just knock it past the keeper for an easy goal. Now it seems they've taken into account the angle you're shooting from, as my shot, even though I didn't push the shoot button too hard, went high and wide of the post, which brings me on to the next point...
-Remember last year when keepers would just stand there when you ballooned a shot wide of the post, almost as if they had no clue what they were doing? Well now, in the two instances I've seen, keepers do tend to dive (new animations, too) for the ball even when it's going wide of the post. They probably won't do it all the time, but in the few occasions that I've hit a shot wide of the post, the keeper seemed to cover the shot.
-I hope I'm right on this, but goals do seem like they'll be harder to come by this year. I'll post again later if there's any big mistakes made by the goalkeepers, but up to now, nothing in open play that suggests they're shit like last year.
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I'll probably add more later, but if you haven't played it yet and have anything to ask about anything else, let me know and I'll respond ASAP.
One thing I do know for a fact though, is that if you enjoyed previous PES games, you'll definitely like this one. It has the potential to be the best one ever.
I'll start off with...
The Bad
-It seems as though you can still pass around your defence at will for as long as you like. You're definitely closed down quicker by the forward, but there's nothing stopping you passing it to the next player and repeating the process. One note though is that I was playing as United, so it might be even harder as a smaller team. Again, the closing down has improved on it, but it could still be better.
-The ball makes too much noise. It shouldn't be as loud as it is, especially in the middle of the field. If you could hear it out wide, near the microphones in the stadium, fair enough. But it's too loud at the moment. Not a major issue though.
-As I found out in game two, the AI still scores wonderful free-kicks with the keeper seemingly diving far enough to save it, but not bothering to put his arm out. This has only happened once (the only goal I've seen so far) so hopefully it's not something that happens too often, as it did in 08.
-Players are still given yellow cards for perfect tackles. It wouldn't be so bad if FK's were given on occasion when you win the ball. That's fair enough. But the ref tends to pull out a card even when you've won it cleanly. What's more, when tackles fly in that you think warrant a booking, only a FK is awarded. Obviously, this could depend on what referee was in charge, as PES have used referees with different tolerance levels, rather than them all being the same.
-Old squads. Saha is still at United along with Campbell. No Berbatov either. Hopefully, that'll be sorted for the proper game release.
And now...
The Good
-Slower gameplay, but everyone who read the reviews knew that.
-Graphics are a lot smoother. See above.
-If you build an attack and hit a shot wide of the post, there's no rush in pressing start to view the replay. You can view the replay of the previous chance even after the animation for the keeper to take the goal kick has loaded.
-Pitch is a lot bigger. It might seem at first like you've got a lot more space so that it's even easier to exploit the AI than in 08. Well, that's wrong. The closing down from the AI is excellent in midfield. And you can no longer burn past a player on the wing with ease. The WB's were half decent last year I thought, but now they've been upped in quality even more.
-One on ones are harder. Or so it seems. I've been one one one with the keeper only once, right of the penalty spot. Before you could just knock it past the keeper for an easy goal. Now it seems they've taken into account the angle you're shooting from, as my shot, even though I didn't push the shoot button too hard, went high and wide of the post, which brings me on to the next point...
-Remember last year when keepers would just stand there when you ballooned a shot wide of the post, almost as if they had no clue what they were doing? Well now, in the two instances I've seen, keepers do tend to dive (new animations, too) for the ball even when it's going wide of the post. They probably won't do it all the time, but in the few occasions that I've hit a shot wide of the post, the keeper seemed to cover the shot.
-I hope I'm right on this, but goals do seem like they'll be harder to come by this year. I'll post again later if there's any big mistakes made by the goalkeepers, but up to now, nothing in open play that suggests they're shit like last year.
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I'll probably add more later, but if you haven't played it yet and have anything to ask about anything else, let me know and I'll respond ASAP.
One thing I do know for a fact though, is that if you enjoyed previous PES games, you'll definitely like this one. It has the potential to be the best one ever.
R9NALD9
Registered User
Thanks for the great review dude! I really appreciate!
Is there post match player ratings in the demo? if there is ratings, is it still as low as 6.5 for a guy who had a decent match, or is the ratings done better this year?
How is the Computer on attack, or is it easy to keep the cpu scoreless?
With someone like CR7, is it easy to dribble around somebody or has that been fixed?
thanks dude!
Barry
Registered User
Oh definitely Mig. But I'm not in vicinity of one so I'll have to make due with the PC version. I just finished installing it and I'm about to give it a shot.
Baddar
Registered User
I've just played another game, and it finished 0-0.
To answer R9nald9's questions;
-No post match ratings on the PS3 demo, so no idea if they've changed.
-I spent most of the last game (as Real vs. Barca) trying to get the ball back. They were teasing me in midfield quite a lot. They didn't really create anything though, and could be a future issue of me not conceding too many goals. But remember, this is based over 5 minute games. I'll be playing 10, maybe even 15 minute games during ML, with accumulated fatigue turned on.
-I wouldn't say it's "easy" to dribble past players on the wing any more, but you've got a better chance of doing it with players like Ronaldo, Messi, Robben etc. But that's true to life IMO. Another positive about the big pitch is that if you beat the WB just past the half-way line, it doesn't seem like you're immediately bearing down on goal, so just because you've beaten a player, don't think you're automatically going to be creating a chance out of it.
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Any more questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
To answer R9nald9's questions;
-No post match ratings on the PS3 demo, so no idea if they've changed.
-I spent most of the last game (as Real vs. Barca) trying to get the ball back. They were teasing me in midfield quite a lot. They didn't really create anything though, and could be a future issue of me not conceding too many goals. But remember, this is based over 5 minute games. I'll be playing 10, maybe even 15 minute games during ML, with accumulated fatigue turned on.
-I wouldn't say it's "easy" to dribble past players on the wing any more, but you've got a better chance of doing it with players like Ronaldo, Messi, Robben etc. But that's true to life IMO. Another positive about the big pitch is that if you beat the WB just past the half-way line, it doesn't seem like you're immediately bearing down on goal, so just because you've beaten a player, don't think you're automatically going to be creating a chance out of it.
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Any more questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
OK, I've had two games of United vs. Liverpool. The first I lost 1-0 the second I won. This is on Top Player.
The first thing I'll note is that it is MUCH easier to defend on PES 2009, and this goes for the AI as well as you. This is good bearing in mind the two teams I'm playing, though I hope it'll get harder when you play as worse teams.
Free kicks are much improved, as are the goalkeepers although they are still butterfingers! And the closing down all over the park is excellent. You learn very very quickly in PES 2009 to baby the sprint button.
Not sure what I think of the new d-pad trick controls, although it is certainly no worse than previous offerings, hopefuly it'll show to be more intuitive. And the manual pass to the right analog stick is a neat idea but its really hard to get it accurate to any degree.
That'll do for now! Will post more in-depth after a few more games.
The first thing I'll note is that it is MUCH easier to defend on PES 2009, and this goes for the AI as well as you. This is good bearing in mind the two teams I'm playing, though I hope it'll get harder when you play as worse teams.
Free kicks are much improved, as are the goalkeepers although they are still butterfingers! And the closing down all over the park is excellent. You learn very very quickly in PES 2009 to baby the sprint button.
Not sure what I think of the new d-pad trick controls, although it is certainly no worse than previous offerings, hopefuly it'll show to be more intuitive. And the manual pass to the right analog stick is a neat idea but its really hard to get it accurate to any degree.
That'll do for now! Will post more in-depth after a few more games.
stottmeister
Registered User
FUCK! no demo on new OXM. guess i'm gonna have to wait till release date. sonofabitch
Miggy
Mr Lover Man
Ok just had one game finished 0-0.
This is what I'm talking about!
I can't understand how people say it's like '08 but slower. Apart from on the eye it feels nothing like '08. AI is a lot better, I struggled to get near the goal let alone score. Tackling is a lot better I can do some of those awesome slides again and not get punished unfairly. Had no free kicks against me during the whole game :smug:
I liked the fact that you could go straight to the second half at the press of a button.
There's so much more I could say I liked about it but I'm going to carry on playing.
So far so good for me.
Thank fuck!
The whole presentation is great I feel, looks really good.
This is what I'm talking about!
I can't understand how people say it's like '08 but slower. Apart from on the eye it feels nothing like '08. AI is a lot better, I struggled to get near the goal let alone score. Tackling is a lot better I can do some of those awesome slides again and not get punished unfairly. Had no free kicks against me during the whole game :smug:
I liked the fact that you could go straight to the second half at the press of a button.
There's so much more I could say I liked about it but I'm going to carry on playing.
So far so good for me.
Thank fuck!
The whole presentation is great I feel, looks really good.
Baddar
Registered User
Another annoyance spotted;
In 2008, it seemed as though your AI team-mates would make tackles for you and give away silly fouls. That happened to me just now, and I gave away a penalty because of it.
On the plus side, normal central camera angle has returned when defending the kick, as opposed to the "on the line" cam.
In 2008, it seemed as though your AI team-mates would make tackles for you and give away silly fouls. That happened to me just now, and I gave away a penalty because of it.
On the plus side, normal central camera angle has returned when defending the kick, as opposed to the "on the line" cam.
R9NALD9
Registered User
I've just played another game, and it finished 0-0.
To answer R9nald9's questions;
-No post match ratings on the PS3 demo, so no idea if they've changed.
-I spent most of the last game (as Real vs. Barca) trying to get the ball back. They were teasing me in midfield quite a lot. They didn't really create anything though, and could be a future issue of me not conceding too many goals. But remember, this is based over 5 minute games. I'll be playing 10, maybe even 15 minute games during ML, with accumulated fatigue turned on.
-I wouldn't say it's "easy" to dribble past players on the wing any more, but you've got a better chance of doing it with players like Ronaldo, Messi, Robben etc. But that's true to life IMO. Another positive about the big pitch is that if you beat the WB just past the half-way line, it doesn't seem like you're immediately bearing down on goal, so just because you've beaten a player, don't think you're automatically going to be creating a chance out of it.
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Any more questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
thanks Baddar! pity on the fact that the computer didn't really create something, it's a problem PES had for quite a time now, the ai team just doesn't threaten your goal enough.
The Messiah
#1 Troll
Ok just had one game finished 0-0.
This is what I'm talking about!
I can't understand how people say it's like '08 but slower. Apart from on the eye it feels nothing like '08. AI is a lot better, I struggled to get near the goal let alone score. Tackling is a lot better I can do some of those awesome slides again and not get punished unfairly. Had no free kicks against me during the whole game :smug:
I liked the fact that you could go straight to the second half at the press of a button.
There's so much more I could say I liked about it but I'm going to carry on playing.
So far so good for me.
Thank fuck!
The whole presentation is great I feel, looks really good.
More like PES 6 or PES 2008?
Mullet Taylor
Registered User
one thing that no-one has mentioned or asked is throw ins
Throw ins are ALOT better. The player throws the ball instantly now, unlike 2008 when the player would always stutter before releasing
Players with long throws will actually have an advantage this time round. in 2008 i never bothered selecting my long thrower wen in a good attacking position. Those days are over! You can throw the ball long, quickly and without making it obvious.
Throw ins will play a bigger part in this pro imo
i still havent scored a long ranger...
Throw ins are ALOT better. The player throws the ball instantly now, unlike 2008 when the player would always stutter before releasing
Players with long throws will actually have an advantage this time round. in 2008 i never bothered selecting my long thrower wen in a good attacking position. Those days are over! You can throw the ball long, quickly and without making it obvious.
Throw ins will play a bigger part in this pro imo
i still havent scored a long ranger...
wrathchild_uk
Registered User
I've been downloading the demo for ages now and still only on 63%.. >.<