"I don't like PES'09" Hate it? Well let us know here and only here.
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We don't need to get personal, this is all opinions, feelings, and thoughts each of us have. we need to really look at what we don't like about the game, and simply share it with each other. that's it!
i like to say, i really hated the sound effects, and i also really hated how the ball seemed like it was a yoyo, especially when you press R1 an R2 to push it forward. and lastly i really hated how the arms, legs, body of players would go through each other. i would get my foot in front of the ball perfectly and striker still score! wtf after watching the replay i saw that the game had a major glitch. made me sick.
i like to say, i really hated the sound effects, and i also really hated how the ball seemed like it was a yoyo, especially when you press R1 an R2 to push it forward. and lastly i really hated how the arms, legs, body of players would go through each other. i would get my foot in front of the ball perfectly and striker still score! wtf after watching the replay i saw that the game had a major glitch. made me sick.
byondthought
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And before i go a few words from 'somone' to say that not everyone thinks that fifa is that bad...
When asked if he would ever consider using EA's engine for a future project, Takatsuka replied:
"Well I would think about it really seriously because I still believe that EA's engine and animation is really superb, very good. The modelling of the characters is perhaps not really to my taste actually, so I might not take that part, but seriously I think their engine and their motion style is really great."
'listen to your god'
When asked if he would ever consider using EA's engine for a future project, Takatsuka replied:
"Well I would think about it really seriously because I still believe that EA's engine and animation is really superb, very good. The modelling of the characters is perhaps not really to my taste actually, so I might not take that part, but seriously I think their engine and their motion style is really great."
'listen to your god'
byondthought
Registered User
?? they're both football games how different can they be...??
as for gameplay, in general PES is more exciting cus its faster and easyer to play great football, but both games offer great gameplay from slightly different angles...you can have boring and shit games with both, #it all depends how you play/who you play#..
i have had some amazing games playing fifa and pes = each can have amazing gameplay (and im sure any football lover would have too). it has taken me time with fifa to shake my 'pes hands' when i play...if your someone who has played pes all your life you cant help but not like fifa after while, feels like its holding you back, you want to do the things you do on pes...if it is boring you then you must be playing boring football.. if your good enough to play great football you will have great games
the thing with pes, Konami should have ironed out some of the bugs before racing to our pockets..and as for fifa, it's all the stupid goofs that completely dismiss it cus they dont know what their doing....seabass dosnt dismiss it...!
Football lovers only,
'if you think PES is bad your not playing it right, if you think fifa is bad your not playing it right.....both pes and fifa are fun if you know what your doing...!!!
as for gameplay, in general PES is more exciting cus its faster and easyer to play great football, but both games offer great gameplay from slightly different angles...you can have boring and shit games with both, #it all depends how you play/who you play#..
i have had some amazing games playing fifa and pes = each can have amazing gameplay (and im sure any football lover would have too). it has taken me time with fifa to shake my 'pes hands' when i play...if your someone who has played pes all your life you cant help but not like fifa after while, feels like its holding you back, you want to do the things you do on pes...if it is boring you then you must be playing boring football.. if your good enough to play great football you will have great games
the thing with pes, Konami should have ironed out some of the bugs before racing to our pockets..and as for fifa, it's all the stupid goofs that completely dismiss it cus they dont know what their doing....seabass dosnt dismiss it...!
Football lovers only,
'if you think PES is bad your not playing it right, if you think fifa is bad your not playing it right.....both pes and fifa are fun if you know what your doing...!!!
Mr Darkstar
Registered User
Well for someone who was talkign shit for no reason a short while ago that is a very valid and educated post.
i am by no means a pes fan boy infact i used to choose fifa over pro untill pes 5/Fifa 03-04 but as i want a football game to be solely about the game play, pes just seemed more realistic more fluid and much more fun. but again this is my opinion, and i do feel that what you said abotu after playing pes you feel fifa is boring etc is a very good point as i feel i cant do the things on it i can do on pes, allthough i dont agree with the reason being that i dont know how to play the game, as i have had peoplel who compete for the top 100 rank on fifa play with me and they still couldnt show me anything exciting.
Maybe fifa is exciting, just not in the way pro is.
well i have to say, that we shouldn't be stating anything concrete when it comes to our opinions, and i assure you mine differ from yours, but that does not mean i wish to come out and tell you how wrong you are, i just think my experience is different to yours depending on what is in my mind, how i wish to play and my expectation.
i am currently playing FIFA because i believe PES is shit! i don't think FIFA is excellent, but its a band aid solution until 2010. i hate the trick stick in FIFA because it does not allow you to do the special moves comfortably and it just doesn't serve its purpose. you may be able to pull something off 2 or 3 times out of 10 and make it fit the play, an make it effective. in my opinion i hate it. PES06 and 08 didn't just have tricks, it had standard moves that you could do to get an advantage, it didn't have to be a trick. anyways, that's my opinion.
i certainly disagree with anybody who thinks pes09 game play is good. im not saying i hate that person, i just disagree. konami fucked us, an that's all there is to it. we can all go into details with or without them, but the bottom line is, the game did not give satisfaction. when pes06 came out, the reaction that konami got from that was brilliant! and ppl are still talking about it 2 yrs on. 08 sucked, and now 09 sux. still playable, dont get me wrong, i have a dear friend Richard, who gets me the update patches on PS3 and top notch stuff and i love it. and i will play it, still, but please, don't tell me its a great game. i give my support, my money and my time, and im sure you all do too, so lets get behind them and make it be known, what we want!
thank you.
i am currently playing FIFA because i believe PES is shit! i don't think FIFA is excellent, but its a band aid solution until 2010. i hate the trick stick in FIFA because it does not allow you to do the special moves comfortably and it just doesn't serve its purpose. you may be able to pull something off 2 or 3 times out of 10 and make it fit the play, an make it effective. in my opinion i hate it. PES06 and 08 didn't just have tricks, it had standard moves that you could do to get an advantage, it didn't have to be a trick. anyways, that's my opinion.
i certainly disagree with anybody who thinks pes09 game play is good. im not saying i hate that person, i just disagree. konami fucked us, an that's all there is to it. we can all go into details with or without them, but the bottom line is, the game did not give satisfaction. when pes06 came out, the reaction that konami got from that was brilliant! and ppl are still talking about it 2 yrs on. 08 sucked, and now 09 sux. still playable, dont get me wrong, i have a dear friend Richard, who gets me the update patches on PS3 and top notch stuff and i love it. and i will play it, still, but please, don't tell me its a great game. i give my support, my money and my time, and im sure you all do too, so lets get behind them and make it be known, what we want!
thank you.
PRO EVOLUTION 2015
Here is the direction I think PES gaming should be heading in:
A Footballers Life:
What we want to is to be able to experience 2 types of games in the one. This has not been achieved before and probably be some time before it does. But to be able to control Cesc Fabregas walking/drive, (in the streets of London) running, (with a ball on any park or pitch in the game if you choose to [juggling/tricks] ) attend to training (and actually control the player) when doing runs/sprints, running around cones with or without a ball, shooting, all types of shooting and training that we currently do when we ourselves go to football training. Imagine, that wether Fabregas (you controlling him of course) joins in or stands around, watching, or playing with the ball, the training goes on. Wenger stands on the side, and players are shooting 1 by 1 at the 18yard line, then getting their ball, and returning to the back of the line.
The possibilities are endless. This would all have an impact of a fatigue system, point system, I mean it would really be deep. We would need a large team to dedicate their time over a period of 2 years or more for this game.
After the game, you would choose to go and eat, have a run down, a massage, a swim. Drive the streets, go and watch a Chelsea game. You would have a schedule to stick to that would allow you to free roam. You choose to attend trainings, and games yourself. And if you didn’t, you would be warned, fined and eventually put in reserves, then sacked or traded/sold what ever. You would always, with experience at that level, be able to join a lower rank match and work your way up. Possibly even start here in the beginning.
You would have access to your money and choose what you buy, and wear, drive, where you live, everything will revolve around your contract, and your salary.
You must have the option to do things that will affect your performance, like gamble, drink/drugs party women. Doing these sorts of things, will have an affect on your individual clock, and your clock may say its 12:00pm, but its actually 1:15 without you realising, and you are of course late for training with a slap on the wrist, again, it gets worse with a verbal warning the next time, written warning, managers meeting etc
Of course you can have a career that is perfect, and do all the right things like Dennis Bergkamp, and go to bed early, let your money build up, and buy properties, and invest to become very wealthy. This game could go so deep that there would be 100 seasons involved, and in that you could end up being a manager, or buying a club depending on how you make the football life work for you.
MENU
A game inside a game:
This would be the part I love, when ever you approach a park, field or training ground, outside of your normal routine/training schedule (with the team) you have a menu board open up as you approach. This menu board gives you options, the same kind of options we get on our PES09 menu. But there is no season, masterleague, or tournament option, there are these:
Free run – you and the ball and nothing else, kind of like Fifa warming up but not that camera view (I hate it) or leave it and have other options. This menu lets you do kick ups, tricks, shots runs basically free roam stuff.
Shooting – self explanatory
Set pieces – depending on if you are at your stadium mucking around outside of your scheduled trainging or not. If your not there then you cant do it. If you are, you can. All depends on facilities, team mates etc.
Quick match – if you were in a park, and you were a famous person like Fabregas, then normal people would approach and just watch you, and if you chose this option, you could have a pick up game with how ever many players you chose, 3v3 5v5 (half pitch) or 11v11
The only thing is, once entered in this menu, you regular schedule clock stops. And will resume when you come out of it.
Outside of this you would have a regular scheduled training session with the team. How ever many it is (with Arsenal for example) you have your fitness training, which is mainly running, sprints etc then the second training 2-3 days before game day would be ball work and strategies, in depth stuff created by the programmer which you as a player choose to do it, not do it, and bring morale down, or do it well with minimal mistakes, and all this is your actually directing Fabregas with your controller, not just clicking on and icon that says “attend training” and then its over and your rating falls or rises.
Again, so much you can do with this.
Master League:
Now if your going to create a Masterleague, well give us a Masterleague. You can imagine how much depth I could go into but I wont. But basically, you need to incorporate all the leagues, cups, champions league, pre season matches, called to represent national friendlies, national group stage qualifiers, euro cup and of course the world cup. We need to have a home menu that is deep. The pro player we select, or create ourselves as a player needs to have one heck of a very busy yearly schedule. There needs to be a completely different half than the first. Problems need to occur, choices change your path to better or worse, fights on the field need to happen, 3-6 month injuries, and at 1 yearly injury that could happen every 5 yrs depending on how you treat the body. What you eat, how you train. There needs to be much more interaction with players and fans, definitely more interaction with the other teams and leagues around the world. It must be deep. Don’t have all those other things in the menu. Forget tournament option, simply have Exhibition, online, or Masterleague which is what all this is about, one big game. (but call it (THE WORLD GAME option)
Your Purpose:
Your player has 2 purposes, 1 is to play a PES game when ever be it an exhibition, online or part of the WORLD GAME season. (ill call it that from now on) The world game is the next level of be a pro, but its probably 10 next levels, again, this needs to be deep, I have said it before it needs to take a GTA4 like approach. And by that I don’t mean the main thing is driving cars and planes, its not what its about, but it is in the game, and needs to be at the level of graphics and game engine that GTA have got. You main Job in the game, is to keep your player fit, healthy active and always around the game. You must keep to the Arsenal schedule, and outside of this, you may roam the streets, go to your home, drive your car, sign autographs, talk to people, do fun stuff, parties, sponsorship meetings with Nike, Adidas, Reebok, Asics, player meetings, financial meetings. You must have many things to do and keep up with. But only outside of the MENU that is inside the WORLD GAME menu.
Map of your World:
I believe that, if GTA4 gave us the possibility of having a game engine as good as that, and more importantly a scale that big, then we have nothing left but to expect that from our games in the future. We now know that it is possible, and if they do not deliver something remotely as big as that, then we should know we are not getting our moneys worth. Believe it! Believe that they can do it because its been proven, thanks to Rokstar Games, we know what the gaming world is capable of doing.
PES WORLD GAME needs to have at least the 3 major Soccer worlds apart of it. England, Spain and Italy, hey if they want to go the whole hog and put in France, Germany, Belgium, Sth America, Turkey and the rest, great! If they all cant, then when you take a flight to play somewhere you will be directed straight to the stadium and the life of that country or city outside the stadium won’t be available. But we need to have the 3 main worlds at least a part of it. And they need to be big. Im talking all the cities in between, you and I and Konami all know that things we don’t need in the game will be cut out, so the scale won’t need to identically match. But Stadiums, Airports, Suburbs, Training grounds (if stadiums don’t have them already) Sports centres, Media centres, shops, restaurants, Shopping centres, parks, water ways, rivers, seas, they need to all be in it.
Training/Practice Stadiums:
Training needs to play a big part in the next PES, imagine, you choose the be a pro match camera angle, and you come out of the tunnel, in warm ups and ready for a gruelling training session with the team. First and reserve team train together, and if you fail certain drills, your getting or keeping 1st team position points decline. Time trials, and 1 touch, 2 touch, possession games, and shooting to get on target games, 5 on 5, running drills, sprinting drills, dribbling drills, 1-2 passes, volley ball using only your feet, you must hold down the kick-up button and pass 3 times and get it over, all buttons on controller represent a different part of the body. And it needs to be real life training, 2 days a week training, 1 day a week game, 2 games per week if champions league is on or even 3 if called to represent. All this will be random throughout the season depending on fixtures results etc. your training will have an effect on your rating. And ratings fall and rise, not like fifa09, each game you get points and when you hit 99, what else do you have to play for. You must rise and fall throught the season. Just like your team, just like in real life.
After the game, you choose to take a light jog, a massage, or sign autographs for the fans which increase moral in the fans. All this must be done with the physical movement same as GTA4.
Sound must play a big role at a stadium, the sound of the ball when its empty verses full. The crown at training, quiet an cheerful, the crowd at home game versus away, it all must change, 2 English clubs rivals must have an effect that you do not get in any other match. Champions league, world cup, home chants, highs and lows during a match, singing to get you back on track, and at what point in the season always makes a difference. Stadiums need to be much, much more interactive with our selves. I could go on with electric advertisement boards, colour of the pitch, what happens to it in the rain, snow, sun wind, your pitch has to change throughout the season.
Buying/Selling:
Ok, apart from buying and selling in the outside world, you must have the option as usual to buy and sell, trade players and even yourself or the pro you are playing a season with. If you decide to sell Thierry Henry to Barcelona from Arsenal, then say goodbye to London, because you are going with him. You must sell your house and your car, pack up and find somewhere to live, hopefully close to the Nou Camp. Money has to play a part in your movement. How much is your salary, what the price of your house, car, boat etc. the plane ticket. This is all extras, but the bottom line is if you move, so does your whole life. The atmosphere has to change for you. The game is experience must change. Different world, different game. But all the same football.
Eating/Training:
A small emphasis that should be in the game, and ive already talked about this, but eating, training, sleeping should have a role on your fitness and your player rating. Dennis Bergkamp maintained his fitness at above 90% for most of his career. You have to have the option to run you guy to the ground or to the top. It seems like in PES become a Legend or Fifas Be a Pro, the only way to tgo is up. I couldn’t fail, it was just a matter of time. The WORLD GAME has to give you options that you want to do in the game, but will give a major effect on your life and your career. Going to parties, doing coke, car accident from speeding, drinking, not following the team schedule, being late for the team bus or plane, or the flip side, skipping the team bus and making it on time, or even earlier. Going to sleep on time, go to the parties, but don’t drink or do drugs. The way you treat fans, and other team mates, managers and owners of the club, al;l play a part.
Switching Roles/Players:
This must be an option, if you get sick of using the same player. But if you change a player, you don’t just change from Ronaldinho in Milan to Rooney in Manchester, and do all the same stuff. Its all gotta change, just the way Rooney plays, no more tricks, better strikes, different car, house, training ability, speed, maybe not so much of a lavish lifestyle, house in the suburbs not by the water. Small things make the difference. And you would want to know what the difference in all players were or at least the marquee players. Different lives are going to make you want to stick with a certain player. And the makers of this game must be favourable. They must make Ronaldinhos live lavish, rich and cameras, press always around him etc. and rooneys life is all about the game, just work hard, practice, get better, win win win. But boring lifestyle. All about he game.
Graphics:
Lastly, and believe me, if there was ever to be a game like this, they would definitely need to go in even more detail than what ive done here in order to make it work. These are just the basics.
But Graphics, graphics would need to be on such a scale, that they would be somehow either breaking history, or on their way to making history. This, is not another football game, this is THE Football game and the graphics will need to match up.
Once again, this is not out of the question, this is simply the next level, and if you want to go to that level, you need to start thinking along those lines, not this same old, menu, season, masterleague and a pitch and a game. Give us depth, gives a scope, give us a scale, and let this game be one that changes things.
If Konami don’t do, somebody, somday will. We need the team, the right guys and the funds that it.
And let me assure you, when we start wanting football games on these types of levels, what do you think Fifa will do with their next release, they have no choice but to match up somhow, someway, which will automatically keep pushing us better.
Help me, help us become great! And play a football game that we will never forget!
Thanks for reading and you wish to give me feedback, ask questions, or even tell me im and idiot, I will listen. Its all about the people.
You can email me.
Taylan Kursunlu
[email protected]
Here is the direction I think PES gaming should be heading in:
A Footballers Life:
What we want to is to be able to experience 2 types of games in the one. This has not been achieved before and probably be some time before it does. But to be able to control Cesc Fabregas walking/drive, (in the streets of London) running, (with a ball on any park or pitch in the game if you choose to [juggling/tricks] ) attend to training (and actually control the player) when doing runs/sprints, running around cones with or without a ball, shooting, all types of shooting and training that we currently do when we ourselves go to football training. Imagine, that wether Fabregas (you controlling him of course) joins in or stands around, watching, or playing with the ball, the training goes on. Wenger stands on the side, and players are shooting 1 by 1 at the 18yard line, then getting their ball, and returning to the back of the line.
The possibilities are endless. This would all have an impact of a fatigue system, point system, I mean it would really be deep. We would need a large team to dedicate their time over a period of 2 years or more for this game.
After the game, you would choose to go and eat, have a run down, a massage, a swim. Drive the streets, go and watch a Chelsea game. You would have a schedule to stick to that would allow you to free roam. You choose to attend trainings, and games yourself. And if you didn’t, you would be warned, fined and eventually put in reserves, then sacked or traded/sold what ever. You would always, with experience at that level, be able to join a lower rank match and work your way up. Possibly even start here in the beginning.
You would have access to your money and choose what you buy, and wear, drive, where you live, everything will revolve around your contract, and your salary.
You must have the option to do things that will affect your performance, like gamble, drink/drugs party women. Doing these sorts of things, will have an affect on your individual clock, and your clock may say its 12:00pm, but its actually 1:15 without you realising, and you are of course late for training with a slap on the wrist, again, it gets worse with a verbal warning the next time, written warning, managers meeting etc
Of course you can have a career that is perfect, and do all the right things like Dennis Bergkamp, and go to bed early, let your money build up, and buy properties, and invest to become very wealthy. This game could go so deep that there would be 100 seasons involved, and in that you could end up being a manager, or buying a club depending on how you make the football life work for you.
MENU
A game inside a game:
This would be the part I love, when ever you approach a park, field or training ground, outside of your normal routine/training schedule (with the team) you have a menu board open up as you approach. This menu board gives you options, the same kind of options we get on our PES09 menu. But there is no season, masterleague, or tournament option, there are these:
Free run – you and the ball and nothing else, kind of like Fifa warming up but not that camera view (I hate it) or leave it and have other options. This menu lets you do kick ups, tricks, shots runs basically free roam stuff.
Shooting – self explanatory
Set pieces – depending on if you are at your stadium mucking around outside of your scheduled trainging or not. If your not there then you cant do it. If you are, you can. All depends on facilities, team mates etc.
Quick match – if you were in a park, and you were a famous person like Fabregas, then normal people would approach and just watch you, and if you chose this option, you could have a pick up game with how ever many players you chose, 3v3 5v5 (half pitch) or 11v11
The only thing is, once entered in this menu, you regular schedule clock stops. And will resume when you come out of it.
Outside of this you would have a regular scheduled training session with the team. How ever many it is (with Arsenal for example) you have your fitness training, which is mainly running, sprints etc then the second training 2-3 days before game day would be ball work and strategies, in depth stuff created by the programmer which you as a player choose to do it, not do it, and bring morale down, or do it well with minimal mistakes, and all this is your actually directing Fabregas with your controller, not just clicking on and icon that says “attend training” and then its over and your rating falls or rises.
Again, so much you can do with this.
Master League:
Now if your going to create a Masterleague, well give us a Masterleague. You can imagine how much depth I could go into but I wont. But basically, you need to incorporate all the leagues, cups, champions league, pre season matches, called to represent national friendlies, national group stage qualifiers, euro cup and of course the world cup. We need to have a home menu that is deep. The pro player we select, or create ourselves as a player needs to have one heck of a very busy yearly schedule. There needs to be a completely different half than the first. Problems need to occur, choices change your path to better or worse, fights on the field need to happen, 3-6 month injuries, and at 1 yearly injury that could happen every 5 yrs depending on how you treat the body. What you eat, how you train. There needs to be much more interaction with players and fans, definitely more interaction with the other teams and leagues around the world. It must be deep. Don’t have all those other things in the menu. Forget tournament option, simply have Exhibition, online, or Masterleague which is what all this is about, one big game. (but call it (THE WORLD GAME option)
Your Purpose:
Your player has 2 purposes, 1 is to play a PES game when ever be it an exhibition, online or part of the WORLD GAME season. (ill call it that from now on) The world game is the next level of be a pro, but its probably 10 next levels, again, this needs to be deep, I have said it before it needs to take a GTA4 like approach. And by that I don’t mean the main thing is driving cars and planes, its not what its about, but it is in the game, and needs to be at the level of graphics and game engine that GTA have got. You main Job in the game, is to keep your player fit, healthy active and always around the game. You must keep to the Arsenal schedule, and outside of this, you may roam the streets, go to your home, drive your car, sign autographs, talk to people, do fun stuff, parties, sponsorship meetings with Nike, Adidas, Reebok, Asics, player meetings, financial meetings. You must have many things to do and keep up with. But only outside of the MENU that is inside the WORLD GAME menu.
Map of your World:
I believe that, if GTA4 gave us the possibility of having a game engine as good as that, and more importantly a scale that big, then we have nothing left but to expect that from our games in the future. We now know that it is possible, and if they do not deliver something remotely as big as that, then we should know we are not getting our moneys worth. Believe it! Believe that they can do it because its been proven, thanks to Rokstar Games, we know what the gaming world is capable of doing.
PES WORLD GAME needs to have at least the 3 major Soccer worlds apart of it. England, Spain and Italy, hey if they want to go the whole hog and put in France, Germany, Belgium, Sth America, Turkey and the rest, great! If they all cant, then when you take a flight to play somewhere you will be directed straight to the stadium and the life of that country or city outside the stadium won’t be available. But we need to have the 3 main worlds at least a part of it. And they need to be big. Im talking all the cities in between, you and I and Konami all know that things we don’t need in the game will be cut out, so the scale won’t need to identically match. But Stadiums, Airports, Suburbs, Training grounds (if stadiums don’t have them already) Sports centres, Media centres, shops, restaurants, Shopping centres, parks, water ways, rivers, seas, they need to all be in it.
Training/Practice Stadiums:
Training needs to play a big part in the next PES, imagine, you choose the be a pro match camera angle, and you come out of the tunnel, in warm ups and ready for a gruelling training session with the team. First and reserve team train together, and if you fail certain drills, your getting or keeping 1st team position points decline. Time trials, and 1 touch, 2 touch, possession games, and shooting to get on target games, 5 on 5, running drills, sprinting drills, dribbling drills, 1-2 passes, volley ball using only your feet, you must hold down the kick-up button and pass 3 times and get it over, all buttons on controller represent a different part of the body. And it needs to be real life training, 2 days a week training, 1 day a week game, 2 games per week if champions league is on or even 3 if called to represent. All this will be random throughout the season depending on fixtures results etc. your training will have an effect on your rating. And ratings fall and rise, not like fifa09, each game you get points and when you hit 99, what else do you have to play for. You must rise and fall throught the season. Just like your team, just like in real life.
After the game, you choose to take a light jog, a massage, or sign autographs for the fans which increase moral in the fans. All this must be done with the physical movement same as GTA4.
Sound must play a big role at a stadium, the sound of the ball when its empty verses full. The crown at training, quiet an cheerful, the crowd at home game versus away, it all must change, 2 English clubs rivals must have an effect that you do not get in any other match. Champions league, world cup, home chants, highs and lows during a match, singing to get you back on track, and at what point in the season always makes a difference. Stadiums need to be much, much more interactive with our selves. I could go on with electric advertisement boards, colour of the pitch, what happens to it in the rain, snow, sun wind, your pitch has to change throughout the season.
Buying/Selling:
Ok, apart from buying and selling in the outside world, you must have the option as usual to buy and sell, trade players and even yourself or the pro you are playing a season with. If you decide to sell Thierry Henry to Barcelona from Arsenal, then say goodbye to London, because you are going with him. You must sell your house and your car, pack up and find somewhere to live, hopefully close to the Nou Camp. Money has to play a part in your movement. How much is your salary, what the price of your house, car, boat etc. the plane ticket. This is all extras, but the bottom line is if you move, so does your whole life. The atmosphere has to change for you. The game is experience must change. Different world, different game. But all the same football.
Eating/Training:
A small emphasis that should be in the game, and ive already talked about this, but eating, training, sleeping should have a role on your fitness and your player rating. Dennis Bergkamp maintained his fitness at above 90% for most of his career. You have to have the option to run you guy to the ground or to the top. It seems like in PES become a Legend or Fifas Be a Pro, the only way to tgo is up. I couldn’t fail, it was just a matter of time. The WORLD GAME has to give you options that you want to do in the game, but will give a major effect on your life and your career. Going to parties, doing coke, car accident from speeding, drinking, not following the team schedule, being late for the team bus or plane, or the flip side, skipping the team bus and making it on time, or even earlier. Going to sleep on time, go to the parties, but don’t drink or do drugs. The way you treat fans, and other team mates, managers and owners of the club, al;l play a part.
Switching Roles/Players:
This must be an option, if you get sick of using the same player. But if you change a player, you don’t just change from Ronaldinho in Milan to Rooney in Manchester, and do all the same stuff. Its all gotta change, just the way Rooney plays, no more tricks, better strikes, different car, house, training ability, speed, maybe not so much of a lavish lifestyle, house in the suburbs not by the water. Small things make the difference. And you would want to know what the difference in all players were or at least the marquee players. Different lives are going to make you want to stick with a certain player. And the makers of this game must be favourable. They must make Ronaldinhos live lavish, rich and cameras, press always around him etc. and rooneys life is all about the game, just work hard, practice, get better, win win win. But boring lifestyle. All about he game.
Graphics:
Lastly, and believe me, if there was ever to be a game like this, they would definitely need to go in even more detail than what ive done here in order to make it work. These are just the basics.
But Graphics, graphics would need to be on such a scale, that they would be somehow either breaking history, or on their way to making history. This, is not another football game, this is THE Football game and the graphics will need to match up.
Once again, this is not out of the question, this is simply the next level, and if you want to go to that level, you need to start thinking along those lines, not this same old, menu, season, masterleague and a pitch and a game. Give us depth, gives a scope, give us a scale, and let this game be one that changes things.
If Konami don’t do, somebody, somday will. We need the team, the right guys and the funds that it.
And let me assure you, when we start wanting football games on these types of levels, what do you think Fifa will do with their next release, they have no choice but to match up somhow, someway, which will automatically keep pushing us better.
Help me, help us become great! And play a football game that we will never forget!
Thanks for reading and you wish to give me feedback, ask questions, or even tell me im and idiot, I will listen. Its all about the people.
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Taylan Kursunlu
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byondthought
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i hope they have time....they are entering the realms of gamplay that are very hard to pull off (bugs).. football must be one of the hardest games to make, it has many different speeds and dimensions.. after making 2009 seabass said he can now see the game he wants from his imagination in the distant reality..if they dont focus all efforts on this the game could end up being more buggy than fun...i too would love all of what you say but i think unless they increase time and budget restaints.. (maybe with 2 years of bad press they will)
Mr Darkstar
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Haha allthough this sounds nice it is incredibly silly, what you need to do is stop playing football and go and buy an rpg, that is clearly what your looking for, if you were a true "football game fan" you would not be concerned with them things untill you are 100% happy with the on the pitch gameplay, which you clearly are not it doesnt make sense that you want to be able to go out to dinner with the footballers wife....
i am happy with the gameplay but for someone who is not, it doesnt make alot of sense that you are looking for so much more. the day a football game offers a life in the day of cesc fabregas, then ea and konami have lost there minds.
sandaweches
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I agree with you Mr Darkstar.
@tk23... you see when I first read your original post about the game and you criticizing the game, I said well fair enough the guy is entitled to his opinion.
When you actually suggested "future" directions in terms of RPG stuff such as control the player after the game, where he eats, what shampoo to use while showering and how he jerks off, it became clear that people like you are the whining bunch that don't understand football games and should stick to playing mario or zelda. you probably want something different from what the majority of those playing pes want and love about the game.
I think besides the online stuff the game is brilliant. One of my friends, because of the hype about fifa, actually bought it fifa09, played it and last time I talked to him it was collecting dust. He said the gameplay was poor, boring and unresponsive. I'm glad I didn't waste my time and money on it.
winning eleven/pes has always and hopefully will always be about playing and enjoying football.
Mr Darkstar
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Very well said, he would still complain when he had full controll and one day after a match he was controlling his player while masturbating and he ejaculated to early - _ - i can see it now "i wish konami would fix the premature ejaculation bug" hah
My friend, thank you for the reply but, if i were not a true football game fan, i probably wouldn't have written so much. Still, my intention is not to prove to you my love or passion for the game, but to create a game about football with much more depth than a simple menu, season and a pitch. yes the gameplay on the pitch is very much the most important thing, but i just want aim for the sky with these game makers, and maybe, reach the tree tops.
I think i went into a lot of detail, but you went too far with the shampoo. i love mario and zelda, and im sure you do too. but do you honestly think, that the future of PES will/should stay at the same setup as it currently is? i think we need to ask for so much more. and we are, but we are not getting it. Fifa is poor, i agree, but PES is worse. Fifa is always going to be that, but PES in the last 2 titles should have given us more and i think its evident that most people agree, again, this is no contest between us, and if you think that its brilliant, im happy for you. you don't need more, but i certainly do. for a next gen console, they produced that game.. not happy. but that's me, and i also go on what many people talk about here in Australia, and definitely many from your neck of the woods. some are happy, some are sad, but mostly, people are just disappointed.
byondthought
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i think what the 2 rude boys should of said...(they went to summer heights high)
i see where your coming from, this is ps3 and we expect more to a game in this generation....
Konami find it hard to get a bug free game out each year, to ask them to do even more work before they complete this task would deflect them from the most important goal.....if they could spend more money and employ more people to do it on the side, it would be a bonus...
pes2009 hardly a year to develop..look how much time and effort is going into GTurismo(true next gen) over 3 years, and ya know how good thats going to be(based on prologue)
check the link if ya like racing games..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_f9R5JKVk8w&feature=related
i see where your coming from, this is ps3 and we expect more to a game in this generation....
Konami find it hard to get a bug free game out each year, to ask them to do even more work before they complete this task would deflect them from the most important goal.....if they could spend more money and employ more people to do it on the side, it would be a bonus...
pes2009 hardly a year to develop..look how much time and effort is going into GTurismo(true next gen) over 3 years, and ya know how good thats going to be(based on prologue)
check the link if ya like racing games..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_f9R5JKVk8w&feature=related
Mr Darkstar
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i understand what you are saying and yes we did play on it a bit, and i thank you as such for all the time and effort you put in to making that large post.
But as for the future of the gaming, of course we all want an in depth experience, but that is to much, i mean controlling the player of the pitch, surley not, if you feel konami cant get this right then why would you want them to go so far as to do that?
i love mario and zelda, infact nintendo is the best and zelda greatest game ever, but this is a football simulation franchise and not an rpg and for that reason allthough your ideas are nice in some aspects, i am more than happy with just the pitch and the menu as you called it, this is because if i want football i want football if i want rpg i want rpg.
im not putting your ideas down by anymeans maybe there will be a gap in the market for that one day, and you will make millions inventing it!
but for now we all know pro is not perfect, but it is the best football sim avaliable, so if we work on some improvments to (in my opinion) an allready brilliant football sim then i think we will be on to a real winner and have a perfect, or very near perfect football game.
Mr Darkstar
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As for you, ugh, there are no rude boys here, just people with opinions wether you like them or not is up to you. and what you said abotu the racing game etc yes this is true but they are totally different companies and franchise you can not expect the same time and effort etc to go in to them.
i have a ps3 aswell as an xbox and one of the main reasons i bought it was for gt so i do know where your comming from, but pro has to try and do it within a year or im sure people would be complaining that they have been left without for so long, i think pro is good for what it is and im sure it will only improve.
i respect what you have to say. maybe you are right, rpg needs to be seperate, an i would like to point out that im happy with the way you respond. we all need to focus on coming together to improve PES. i also agree that if the game i have in mind was to come, it would be light years away, and we need to focus on getting the the next step, and that is a better PES2010. i still however disagree with PES09 being brilliant, and maybe i play FIFA09 because i am so upset and disappointed, but i have bought a patch for the PS3 version for PES and when it comes ill be trading FIFA back in. No disrespect, it may be the best out there at the moment, but that's only because there is no real competition, and no real good football game.
what i wish to know is, are we just giving them our thoughts for PES2010 and that's it? what else are we doing? can we create a partition of some kind, is there a site we can go to other than this that Konami views? is there online support? (lol) a live chat maybe... we need to do more. i will save my report of what i wish and put it in the back pocket, but for now, i want to know what we can do to help! because if we leave it to them, im afraid next year it will be too late, again.
byondthought
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and the reason they do it year to year is because they want more money...!! it must be a gaming gold mine for them..the fact is they rush through it each year to get into our pockets....its great marketing, for what seems to be a more blatant work in progress..
hey thats football, it can market pink boots....!!
but now after 2 years and this being 'next gen' Konami/EA will find it harder to market this process...
and i think what tk23 is getting at is more immersive gaming and it is the future, even for sports games...he wants to feel like a football player, role play if you will, BAL mode is ALREADY a step in this direction..when you add the more immersive things a higher sense of achievement and excitment is gained..just imagine, it could even effect how you play, who you play for..
your player could actually travel around, having trails for clubs etc ..when you transfer to club in spain you actually feel like your in spain etc, going training(not just training games),having to work hard so the manager picks you etc and on and on, involving different parts of a pro footballers life (based around football)
Absolutely, i think the ideas are endless in what you could do for a nextgen game, but after many thoughts about what i said and listened to what others said, it is vital that we work on this game right now. There is no point confusing them with what we want, and we need to make clear what we want as a collective group. a nextgen game definately needs to be produced, but focus on the current game. with out a doubt i think we will see games advance in the next 5-10 yrs and i look forward to this. but right now, we need to get PES back where it needs to be on the pitch. gameplay needs full attention, and until the get this right, we cant move on.
also, i think most games will be moving in that direction together, you look at nba2k series and they are applying more depth to the game. depth in the game is what we want, but not before they fix what we love most. on the pitch, smooth gameplay, but real life like. i want to see many individual players have their own style, of dribbling, passing, shooting, running, just like they did with goal celebrations. work on atleast 50-100 players individually. then work on teams individually, then stadiums and crowds. thats where they need to start in terms of giving us depth. and of course, a season (masterleague) that includes all league, champions league, cup games, uaefa, carling cup etc etc.