For Konami

[proevofan88]

they need to get people on who actually play / understand the game

you can watch as many games as you like but unless you play it you dont understand all the little things that are needed in the game

Good idea but I think they did just fine with the older pes games. They focused on the little things and I think that is what made the big difference.

 

[StringerBell]

Good idea but I think they did just fine with the older pes games. They focused on the little things and I think that is what made the big difference.

My biggest issue is appearances of players. I'm not talking about superstar more so certain types of players. There are certain nationalities that Konami does horribly. I don't want this to sound racist in anyway but I mean look at the Saudi Arabian and Thailand natl teams the players look neither Arabic nor Thai. It reminds me I had FIFA 04 and the Haitian national team was all white with blonde hair :no: There just seems to be certain nationalities Konami makes an error on. The editing of players comes from 6 base templates well the world comes in more than 6 shades we need more to choose from.

Also in the master league we should be able to use pre made custom teams. If your giving us the option to create a team chances are we already did in the "other leagues" section let us use that in the master league.

Lastly the Bundesliga would be great!

 

[Steev09]

For me, the mst important feature by a long shot is the ability to play 2 player Leagues and Cups against my mate, me controlling his opposition and vice versa, Its so frustrating that such a simple but effective feature has been taken out after PES6, I would even be happy to concede any rewards relative to the trophies feature which wil probably be implemented in the next game, as I reckon this is the only reason for taking it out on the Next-Gen games, simply because there is no other real valid reason anywhere, we should at least have the option though.

 

[Hans Hitman]

I got tired of reading the how PES needs to be more like FIFA posts and stopped reading, so if someone already said this, then i apologize.

I think there should be some players who don't transfer. I mean, there are lifers in the real world. For instance, does anyone think that Gerrard would really leave liverpool, even if Rafa is losing it? Or John Terry leaving Chelsea? No freaking way. Or Kaka from Milan? But in PES, all the lifers are transferring in the first season that you play. There are certain players who I think just won't transfer. Make a special designation for some players.

 

[proevofan88]

Yeh, konami always tend to make some questionable decisions in terms of what they remove/add for their next installment.

My number one priority would be to simply focus on the gameplay. The graphics in PES 2009 are beautiful imo. Everything is slick clean and nice and the players are easily recognizable.

So I mean I would have a small team work on things like more weather options, a few more stadiums, improve the master league, etc. and have a "Big" team work solely on the gameplay.

 

[Hans Hitman]

OK, here's another one. I was just playing and, when the ball is about to go out of bounds, the player should just let the ball go. They always flick it out so that the throw in goes to the other team. That's a major WTF!?!?! moment.

 

[Usul]

Another useless thread.

These people (Konami) and Seabass, aren't stupid. They know full well what a good football game is supposed to feel like, as they've created plenty, but they all work for a gaming company. I'm sure that they are not only constrained by budget, but have got to answer to marketers. That means that they're probably not even allowed to make the best game that they can, because there's nothing they would love more than to make an endless series. They may even have an entire programming team whose sole pourpose is to implement flaws in the game that seem like random ones when they really are not.. :lol:

You know what happens when you make the ultimate football simulation?

Yep, you can't make more money selling new and improved versions.

They're just milking the proverbial cow, not unknowingly fucking up the game-play.

On the other hand, i may be completely wrong, and they really are an incompetent lot.

Either way, they suck nuts, it must be said.

 

[Amateur]

Another useless thread.

These people (Konami) and Seabass, aren't stupid. They know full well what a good football game is supposed to feel like, as they've created plenty, but they all work for a gaming company. I'm sure that they are not only constrained by budget, but have got to answer to marketers. That means that they're probably not even allowed to make the best game that they can, because there's nothing they would love more than to make an endless series. They may even have an entire programming team whose sole pourpose is to implement flaws in the game that seem like random ones when they are really not.. :lol:

You know what happens when you make the ultimate football simulation?

Yep, you can't make more money selling new and improved versions.

They're just milking the proverbial cow, and not unknowingly fucking up the game-play.

On the other hand, i may be completely wrong, and they really are an incompetent lot.

Either way, they suck nuts, it must be said.

That sounds more credible but... no matter how perfect a game may be, there's always something to improve, always. It's still too soon to start worrying about "milking the proverbial cow".

Personally, I think the transition to Next Gen didn't go quite has Konami expected. That's what I think, because it seems so contradictory that Pro "Evolution" did exactly the opposite.

I don't now if "milking the proverbial cow" means making things worst, instead of slightly improving them.. I really don't know. But FACT remains that sales have dropped significantly for Konami. Not exactly a brilliant scheme, is it??

 

[minenow]

hmmm... yet another potentially useful thread that trips and stumbles along the "I hate PES9/Konami because..." route.

Constructive criticisms/realistic improvement suggestions only here - there are MANY other threads for the nay sayers. I'm not saying you don't have valid points/opinions (pulling on flame-proof suit) but lets keep this thread focused on suggestion for improvements. By the looks of it there should be PLENTY...

 

[byondthought]

I got tired of reading the how PES needs to be more like FIFA posts and stopped reading, so if someone already said this, then i apologize.

I think there should be some players who don't transfer. I mean, there are lifers in the real world. For instance, does anyone think that Gerrard would really leave liverpool, even if Rafa is losing it? Or John Terry leaving Chelsea? No freaking way. Or Kaka from Milan? But in PES, all the lifers are transferring in the first season that you play. There are certain players who I think just won't transfer. Make a special designation for some players.

LOL, Konami will need to employ people who actually understand the passion of FOOTBALL.. real peoples..you know people who know that you can stand next to your freekick, corner taker and player taking the throw in..!!!

Get some FOOTBALL, go employ some european football players(they dont need to be famous or expensive)

and if you have, SACK them..!!



PS if Konami are really reading this remember, explain as if you were talking to a child and tell HOW they can go about implementing your changes

 

[StringerBell]

Another thing that I forgot to mention, more African natl teams! Yes Egypt was aded but why did we have to loose Angola? We need more nations so that a proper African cup can be played. Considering the amount of talent that has been coming from the continent it would be great to play with these teams

 

[proevofan88]

Another useless thread.

These people (Konami) and Seabass, aren't stupid. They know full well what a good football game is supposed to feel like, as they've created plenty, but they all work for a gaming company. I'm sure that they are not only constrained by budget, but have got to answer to marketers. That means that they're probably not even allowed to make the best game that they can, because there's nothing they would love more than to make an endless series. They may even have an entire programming team whose sole pourpose is to implement flaws in the game that seem like random ones when they are really not.. :lol:

You know what happens when you make the ultimate football simulation?

Yep, you can't make more money selling new and improved versions.

They're just milking the proverbial cow, and not unknowingly fucking up the game-play.

On the other hand, i may be completely wrong, and they really are an incompetent lot.

Either way, they suck nuts, it must be said.

soo....the marketers told the PES team to make a crappier game so that it sells less? because this is one of the worst selling pes's ever.....and it is available on many more formats then the old ones that you could only get on ps2 and a few on xbox.....

 

[proevofan88]

hmmm... yet another potentially useful thread that trips and stumbles along the "I hate PES9/Konami because..." route.

Constructive criticisms/realistic improvement suggestions only here - there are MANY other threads for the nay sayers. I'm not saying you don't have valid points/opinions (pulling on flame-proof suit) but lets keep this thread focused on suggestion for improvements. By the looks of it there should be PLENTY...

Yeah -- I hope people read your message....this is on how we can "IMPROVE" it's not "HOW BAD IT IS"....

 

[Usul]

What i'm saying, is that they probably know what they have to and can improve, so, in my eyes, the only pourpose of making a thread about it, thinking that they'll actually take pointers from it, is to satisfy your egos.

I bet they pay more attention to the 'hate' threads, than this type.

Things like 'i hope they improve the AI' or 'they should get more licenses' or 'attacking midfielders should move forward more often' are onvious flaws. Anyone with half a brain and minimal knowledge of football, can see this.

I just refuse to believe that they overlooked such basic things, again. They can't be that daft, can they? Specially Seabass. After all, the man is the brains behind the operation. The one that masterminded the other versions you're all so fond of.

Think about it.

I reckon it's a simple case of 'we've got plenty of costumers, so regardless how mediocre we make this version, we'll sell quite a few, and will just have to 'redeem' ourselves in the next installment'.

No matter how many loyalists they lose this year, you know full well that if they make a very good game the next one, evreyone will come, salivating, back.

This tactic, by the look of things, may have backfired, which may be due to FIFA's unexpected (?), new and improved version.

 

[halamadrid32]

Some of my favorite parts of PES over the years have been the small stuff:

Training Challenges

That glowing tail on goal replays

Memorial Match: one year at college my roommate and i had dream teams and i lost 100 wins to 99


One thing ive always wanted to see was more profile stats i.e. top goals scored and assists by player....Match w l d gf ga gd for teams used....record against other teams, etc. This would make PES way more addictive to play well with your favorite team...also knowing that in 300 matches with manchester rooney has 100+ goals or something like that

also directional controls need to be improved, messi does not move in 45 degree angles

 

[Amateur]

What i'm saying, is that they probably know what they have to and can improve, so, in my eyes, the only pourpose of making a thread about it, thinking that they'll actually take pointers from it, is to satisfy your egos.

I bet they pay more attention to the 'hate' threads, than this type.

Things like 'i hope they improve the AI' or 'they should get more licenses' or 'attacking midfielders should move forward more often' are onvious flaws. Anyone with half a brain and minimal knowledge of football, can see this.

I just refuse to believe that they overlooked such basic things, again. They can't be that daft, can they? Specially Seabass. After all, the man is the brains behind the operation. The one that masterminded the other versions you're all so fond of.

Think about it.

I reckon it's a simple case of 'we've got plenty of costumers, so regardless how mediocre we make this version, we'll sell quite a few, and will just have to 'redeem' ourselves in the next installment'.

No matter how many loyalists they lose this year, you know full well that if they make a very good game the next one, evreyone will come, salivating, back.

This tactic, by the look of things, may have backfired, which may be due to FIFA's unexpected (?), new and improved version.

No, the simple point of such a thread is to let Konami know that we are "aware" of just how outdated "Pro Evo" is, and that we want significant improvements -and- if we do not get them, the series will take another hit in sales.

As simple as that.

As at least I am full aware that they know exactly what they need to do, but for some reason they have not done anything about that since PES5.

 

[dicky_t]

i think konami have to promote and develop the strengths of what makes the game good

master league and more to the point ONLINE master league ,perhaps even in conjuction with sites like this ppl who want to take the game seriously ,can you imagine the pre sales orders if this game was sold with a solid online ,that could utilise the PSN network to work with an online master league perhaps with 20-160 players split into 8 divisions with the top each all competing in a online mini euro competition the following master league season

also online i think the konami rating system is fine but there should be a penalty for always using a great team for eg ,lets say barcelona is a 10 ,liverpool an 8 ,stoke a 3 ,but the average team is a 7 and every 10 games it takes the average against the side(s) you use ,say you use barcelona all 10 ,and the average is 7 .then you would lose 30 points regardless of the results ,now if you played with stoke again regardless of results you gain 40 points for being under the average ,this would encourage ppl to use average teams for play

now konami are not going to make a perfect game to satisfy every player ,simply because the devolpment would cost too much and would outwiegh sales of the game unless they put the price up ,i think the way around this is too keep the basic package the same except for what ive just mentioned above but also like other games sell extras for eg ,myself and a few others would like realistic chants and songs from our supports ,surley these audio files could be bought and added to the game as an optional extra thus recouping the development cost and keeping the price of the basic game low

they could also do this for extra teams club or national that are not included in the original game espicially for seasons in world cup year ,for eg a paid download allowing the gamer to play a nations qualifier games all the way to the world cup finals

 

[proevofan88]

i think konami have to promote and develop the strengths of what makes the game good

master league and more to the point ONLINE master league ,perhaps even in conjuction with sites like this ppl who want to take the game seriously ,can you imagine the pre sales orders if this game was sold with a solid online ,that could utilise the PSN network to work with an online master league perhaps with 20-160 players split into 8 divisions with the top each all competing in a online mini euro competition the following master league season

also online i think the konami rating system is fine but there should be a penalty for always using a great team for eg ,lets say barcelona is a 10 ,liverpool an 8 ,stoke a 3 ,but the average team is a 7 and every 10 games it takes the average against the side(s) you use ,say you use barcelona all 10 ,and the average is 7 .then you would lose 30 points regardless of the results ,now if you played with stoke again regardless of results you gain 40 points for being under the average ,this would encourage ppl to use average teams for play

now konami are not going to make a perfect game to satisfy every player ,simply because the devolpment would cost too much and would outwiegh sales of the game unless they put the price up ,i think the way around this is too keep the basic package the same except for what ive just mentioned above but also like other games sell extras for eg ,myself and a few others would like realistic chants and songs from our supports ,surley these audio files could be bought and added to the game as an optional extra thus recouping the development cost and keeping the price of the basic game low

they could also do this for extra teams club or national that are not included in the original game espicially for seasons in world cup year ,for eg a paid download allowing the gamer to play a nations qualifier games all the way to the world cup finals

that is a good idea BUT....konami just need to fix the gameplay. It really is as simple as that.

For those who think Konami purposely make the game "not as good as it can be" that is a neat theory but in times like these, talking of the economy, no one is that stupid to take risks like that. If anything, they want to make the best game possible since FIFA09 right now is a better game then PES2009, it's the truth really. Which one do I like? Neither tbh...PES6 is still my fav.

 

[dicky_t]

that is a good idea BUT....konami just need to fix the gameplay. It really is as simple as that..

i disagree and agree ,ok there are flaws in the gameplay infact too many to mention ,but some add to the appeal ,for example if the ref seems to be harsh against your players ,suddenly you feel like sir alex ferguson ranting at the ref because he missed a blatant foul on your player ,it adds to the realism of the game ok some desicions do defy beleif ,like when your heading the ball behind the touch line and the ref gives the throw the other way ,but if the ref ,did it all fairly it would feel too robotic and not a simulation ,i feel this adds to the intensity of the games

but the reason i disagree is because you cant just have a game now unless its original in its content ,just a football game would just be that and have a limited shelflife ,every game needs something original to add to its appeal ,my eg are first person shooters ,when that started as duck hunt it was a gun and a duck ,then it was people ,then monsters ,then you got bigger guns ,then power ups ,then you got telescopic sights ,then you got stealth etc etc

ok so there is so much you can do with football if you want to stick to simulation and keep it accuarate as possible but online is why people buy the game and i agree the lag issue must be fixed as soon as possible ,but an online master league or the ability to create a league between online freinds would be a major selling point

 

[proevofan88]

i disagree and agree ,ok there are flaws in the gameplay infact too many to mention ,but some add to the appeal ,for example if the ref seems to be harsh against your players ,suddenly you feel like sir alex ferguson ranting at the ref because he missed a blatant foul on your player ,it adds to the realism of the game ok some desicions do defy beleif ,like when your heading the ball behind the touch line and the ref gives the throw the other way ,but if the ref ,did it all fairly it would feel too robotic and not a simulation ,i feel this adds to the intensity of the games

but the reason i disagree is because you cant just have a game now unless its original in its content ,just a football game would just be that and have a limited shelflife ,every game needs something original to add to its appeal ,my eg are first person shooters ,when that started as duck hunt it was a gun and a duck ,then it was people ,then monsters ,then you got bigger guns ,then power ups ,then you got telescopic sights ,then you got stealth etc etc

ok so there is so much you can do with football if you want to stick to simulation and keep it accuarate as possible but online is why people buy the game and i agree the lag issue must be fixed as soon as possible ,but an online master league or the ability to create a league between online freinds would be a major selling point

I understand what you are saying and I like your examples about the FPS and the ref and also that the online needs fixing. But the funny thing is, I always find myself coming back to PES6...I dont even play pes2009 anymore. Me and my friends just play PES6. Even tho the graphics arent good, the online not good, the ML not different, no licenses, etc. It is the game play that I adore.

That is why I say that gameplay is the MOST urgent priority. They have the modes in place. The graphics are excellent. Now let's make it all fun, by making the gameplay the way it used to be but EVOLVING at the same time. And online needs to be fixed.

If you want sales, sure go with all these online modes, make the graphics even better, get more licenses, etc. But that will not have a long life.

Can you imagine playing PES2010 ( assuming the game play will be fixed up ) online and it being just as if you were playing against your friends? That would be the only game I would want since I dont play nothing else anyway....