Just for fun: Views on konami's thinking behind next gen ideas?

[STEVE67]

having played PES for years I was interested to hear the views of anyone on the thinking behind Konami's changes to PES since it moved into next-gen? I thought PES 6 on PS2 was the ultimate blend of PES 4 and PES 5. Why did they feel the need to change things too much apart from a few tweeks and obviously graphical changes.
Nothing should have been removed...only new things added.
* why did PES shop go?
* Why has edit mode less options?
* Why has camera views on wide lost the 1-9 tilt option?
* Why do players now turn like robots?
* Where are the in depth match stats gone at end of games?
* Why such poor sound when ball is kicked and from crowd?
* Why keep some camera angles when it obvious most players dont use them? (use that space to incorporate a zoomable camera to adjust to each taste)
* Why programme players to automatically clear balls and slide tackle? leave it to player to make them decisions.

Just a few points that i just cant get my head around when playing PES 2009. I am no game programmer but can see clearly what would have made PES 2009 a great game and even keeping gameplay of PES 6 would have made it still a great game.
Like i said would be fun to hear your views as to why Konami made these changes.

 

[Mullet Taylor]

are you a tim steve ?

 

[CapnKill]

having played PES for years I was interested to hear the views of anyone on the thinking behind Konami's changes to PES since it moved into next-gen? I thought PES 6 on PS2 was the ultimate blend of PES 4 and PES 5. Why did they feel the need to change things too much apart from a few tweeks and obviously graphical changes.
Nothing should have been removed...only new things added.
* why did PES shop go?
* Why has edit mode less options?
* Why has camera views on wide lost the 1-9 tilt option?
* Why do players now turn like robots?
* Where are the in depth match stats gone at end of games?
* Why such poor sound when ball is kicked and from crowd?
* Why keep some camera angles when it obvious most players dont use them? (use that space to incorporate a zoomable camera to adjust to each taste)
* Why programme players to automatically clear balls and slide tackle? leave it to player to make them decisions.

Just a few points that i just cant get my head around when playing PES 2009. I am no game programmer but can see clearly what would have made PES 2009 a great game and even keeping gameplay of PES 6 would have made it still a great game.
Like i said would be fun to hear your views as to why Konami made these changes.

Hard to say... the most mind boggling ones are the features that were there but were taken out... like training mode from inside ML.. I think that was there.. now its gone... wtf?

 

[byondthought]

i heard on the grape vine that for 2010 Konami were thinking about turning the football to a fire ball with swoosh tail and making the goal flash up when you score a power shot..!!!

 

[dicky_t]

hahahaaha if they did that ,that would be the final nail in the coffin

 

[Amateur]

having played PES for years I was interested to hear the views of anyone on the thinking behind Konami's changes to PES since it moved into next-gen? I thought PES 6 on PS2 was the ultimate blend of PES 4 and PES 5. Why did they feel the need to change things too much apart from a few tweeks and obviously graphical changes.
Nothing should have been removed...only new things added.
* why did PES shop go?
* Why has edit mode less options?
* Why has camera views on wide lost the 1-9 tilt option?
* Why do players now turn like robots?
* Where are the in depth match stats gone at end of games?
* Why such poor sound when ball is kicked and from crowd?
* Why keep some camera angles when it obvious most players dont use them? (use that space to incorporate a zoomable camera to adjust to each taste)
* Why programme players to automatically clear balls and slide tackle? leave it to player to make them decisions.

Just a few points that i just cant get my head around when playing PES 2009. I am no game programmer but can see clearly what would have made PES 2009 a great game and even keeping gameplay of PES 6 would have made it still a great game.
Like i said would be fun to hear your views as to why Konami made these changes.

Agreed.. I still don't get WHY the PS2 games are actually better than the PS3 games. Perhaps they are not prioritizing where they should -- The Gameplay.

And yes, PES6 was far from perfect, but IMO it is the best PES to date. Konami should have kept elaborating on the Stats and Animations, and then keep going from there.

Instead we get a Graphical Update and a Gameplay Downgrade. It doesn't makes sense to me, why would Konami do that to a game that was appealing because of its gameplay?

But with that said, if Konami makes the right decisions -- PES 2010 could turn out to be the best version yet. But nothing revolutionary.

 

[byondthought]

Konami had a real problem, they had the best football game on the ps2 and a highly tuned gameplay with players that had been playing it to the core of their sole for years... they fucked up with 2008 thinking they could run the same engine with a few tweaks and people would be ok with that, but the expectations and hipe around both pes and the next gen platforms people were left hungry..!! if pes2009 had come out in 2008 things would be different, pes09 shows that konami are tryin to do more, if you see their press conferences that say that they tryed to start fresh but still with the old things that made pes great, not easy..for me i think pes09 is like a confused child with 1 foot stuck in the past..

I think that the development of bal and bap helped the programers to see the new physics that the next gen could offer. somthing happened at EA after 2008 that no one thought would, then they were like an ant farm going to work on it...

 

[martyl2]

In my opinion if pes 09 had been released at the time of pes 08, there would be little complaints. Pes 08 was a complete mess of a game. Yet pes 09 does make decent strides forward, pes 2010 will be make or break for Konami, key gameplay and graphical changes are needed. PES 09 is a good game at its core, but there needs to be more features e.g. more stadiums, better masterleague, online must be fixed.

 

[MachineHead]

* Why has edit mode less options?

No logical explanation to this. Either they have accidentally wiped out the code while working on it, or they're idiots

 

[dan80]

the thing is anyhing that is good on pes and fans like they take it out the next year most popular is probably mix and match kits in pes 5 and hasnt been seen since they took snow out the game so there is no breath coming from players mouths they used to have neck warmers undershorts now just gloves thats why nearly all game fell the same there was a slection of pitchs in the past now just 1 type i mean wtf there was real stadiums but with fake names but now they are gone i payed £300 for a ps3 next gen console U MAKE THE FUCKING NEXT GEN GAME but konami u havent

 

[caph]

the thing i dont like and want to change in pes is
-a better professional level,
-The offside whitch have make me aggresive many times,
-Cross passes can only go forward, back and to the sides and if you try to make a long pass to a unmarked player up the field on the other flank the pass will not work, but if the pass work then the forward is offside most of the times.
-And why cant the referee give a freekick or penalty if you been kicked down after you have make the shot/pass,
and there's lots more to say about pes 2009 that they have change thats not good. But i still i love pes and there's not question whitch football game that are the best.

 

[CaptainCabinet]

The fact is, I don't think any of you understand how much money Konami actually have.

It's fairly well documented around those that care they are a very very small company (in comparison) and do not have high funding at all. It's actually refreshing to see a relatively small games company, even more so a small branch of a small company surviving and winning the battle against EA. (Note: that's my opinion I will not turn this into a FIFA Vs PES debate)

In a few years I can completely see EA buying out and dissolving Konami as they have done with a thousand other small companies, ruining them in the same swoop. Then you guys will have nothing to moan about, after all there'll be no comparison.

 

[Papa]

The fact is, I don't think any of you understand how much money Konami actually have.

It's fairly well documented around those that care they are a very very small company (in comparison) and do not have high funding at all. It's actually refreshing to see a relatively small games company, even more so a small branch of a small company surviving and winning the battle against EA. (Note: that's my opinion I will not turn this into a FIFA Vs PES debate)

In a few years I can completely see EA buying out and dissolving Konami as they have done with a thousand other small companies, ruining them in the same swoop. Then you guys will have nothing to moan about, after all there'll be no comparison.

Very well said.

Now I'm off to play some Pro.

 

[S-D-P]

as amateur said the priority needs to be with the gameplay. It doesn't matter how many game modes there if the gameplay isn't right the game wont last. i am grateful that konami have provided me with joy from when i was able to pick up a bad. I am not going to play konami's game because i feel sorry for the fact they don't have enough money to make the game into a good enough football sim , i have played pro as long as anyone so don't give me that patronizing bullshit

 

[MachineHead]

The fact is, I don't think any of you understand how much money Konami actually have.

Well you always NEED someone to complain. Anyhow, unbelieveably good games have been made with unbelieveably small budgets, so I really don't believe in this argument anymore. Cutting features from the edit mode can't be explained with low budget.

 

[Dale C.]

The fact is, I don't think any of you understand how much money Konami actually have.

It's fairly well documented around those that care they are a very very small company (in comparison) and do not have high funding at all. It's actually refreshing to see a relatively small games company, even more so a small branch of a small company surviving and winning the battle against EA. (Note: that's my opinion I will not turn this into a FIFA Vs PES debate)

In a few years I can completely see EA buying out and dissolving Konami as they have done with a thousand other small companies, ruining them in the same swoop. Then you guys will have nothing to moan about, after all there'll be no comparison.

Well said that man!

edit : god dammit, I seen to have contracted 'new-page-itis' :\

 

[CaptainCabinet]

Well you always NEED someone to complain. Anyhow, unbelieveably good games have been made with unbelieveably small budgets, so I really don't believe in this argument anymore. Cutting features from the edit mode can't be explained with low budget.

No money - Less people to work on the game.

Yes, some have, one of those is Pro. Next?

 

[MachineHead]

No money - Less people to work on the game.

Yes, some have, one of those is Pro. Next?

I often like to use the game "Mount&Blade" as an example. It's a medieval combat game and can hardly be compared to a football game. Nonetheless, the developing team consists of less than 20 people, and they've managed to create a groundbreaking combat system. It's about vision and ambition more than money. Listening to players is also a good way to develop a game, and that's what Mount&Blade's creators have done well. PES developers have only listened to the crowd(graphics), not the fans. It's clear because the core elements of the game have actually gone worse.

 

[Amateur]

The fact is, I don't think any of you understand how much money Konami actually have.

It's fairly well documented around those that care they are a very very small company (in comparison) and do not have high funding at all. It's actually refreshing to see a relatively small games company, even more so a small branch of a small company surviving and winning the battle against EA. (Note: that's my opinion I will not turn this into a FIFA Vs PES debate)

In a few years I can completely see EA buying out and dissolving Konami as they have done with a thousand other small companies, ruining them in the same swoop. Then you guys will have nothing to moan about, after all there'll be no comparison.

So apparently Konami doesn't haves the money to make a proper Next Gen Game??

If that's the case I'm off to FIFA, at least they have the "money" to improve their game. I would prefer to have PES as the top Football title, but if they simply do Not have money -- what's the point of asking for revolutionary improvements that they cannot afford??

At least EA haves the money, which seemingly is more important than I thought.

But still, there's something that doesn't makes much sense to me.. they (Konami) don't have the money to make Next Gen Titles and yet they decide to develop titles for almost every console out there?? I'm not saying it isn't true, but it doesn't makes much sense.

 

[CaptainCabinet]

So apparently Konami doesn't haves the money to make a proper Next Gen Game??

Well if anyone cared to take an interest it's an infinitely more possible scenario than them "not caring" as so many seem to see it.