"I don't like PES'09" Hate it? Well let us know here and only here.

[byondthought]

never mind changing the subject ,try answering the question of why you find pes so easy

or explaining to me exactly how i dont know how to play fifa which you have clearly stated

p.s. thanks

Thats all we have been doing on this thread but you just dont UNDERSTAND...go back to the start and read through it all again YOU MUG...if you dont understand the basics why would we go into detail..!!

 

[dicky_t]

Thats all we have been doing on this thread but you just dont UNDERSTAND...go back to the start and read through it all again YOU MUG...if you dont understand the basics why would we go into detail..!!

lol i have read it all ,i just cant find any bits where you explain anything

thats why i keep asking

just some random statements

without any explanation

i`m asking for detail

or reasons why the statements

the good answer to any argument is having facts to back you up

its not just about having the knowledge ,to truly understand it ,you must be able to communicate it

 

[byondthought]

lol i have read it all ,i just cant find any bits where you explain anything

thats why i keep asking

just some random statements

without any explanation

i`m asking for detail

or reasons why the statements

the good answer to any argument is having facts to back you up

its not just about having the knowledge ,to truly understand it ,you must be able to communicate it

I dont need to its well established out here in the real world..!!


checkmate...!!!

 

[dicky_t]

ah chess next you will be telling me i dont understand how to play that either or that you find it particularly easy

but wont bother to tell me why as you find ignorance your only form of defence

this is why you chose to play fifa

you think this is a game

simple things please tiny minds

 

[byondthought]

ah chess next you will be telling me i dont understand how to play that either or that you find it particularly easy

but wont bother to tell me why as you find ignorance your only form of defence

this is why you chose to play fifa

Yep ok...

 

[trigglebeef]

"passing ever played a through ball on FIFA and its hit the intended receivers heels and the move breaks down? ever tried to play a square ball to an oncoming runner and its gone behind him because you didnt time it right no? i bet you have on PES now thats realism not all passes are accurate if they were why would there be schools of exellence ,football coaches ,and boots all designed to help a player"

Care to explain this comment if you use manual passing on both games Dicky? :ninja:

Also, going back to my goals. I've scored better ones than those on assisisted. On manual it's fucking hard to score goals full stop, especially on World Class or Legendary. Your tactics do not work, because manual controls do not allow you to just ping the ball around at will.

And your defence arguments are laughable. Those goals i scored were not poor defending. On Adebayor's, Arshavin left the defender behind with a correctly timed turn of pace. He then put the lobbed ball directly over the player's head who was in a great postion to block the ground through ball. Adebayor was too quick for his marker and got on the end of it. For RVP's header, Arshavin had space because the play was switched, just like he would in real life. If the opposition right back was right next to him then he would not be working as a unit with the rest of his defence. From there he's FIRED a pin point ball to Van Persie giing the centre back no time to get close to him. DJ Campbell's goal, there was nothing extra that could have been done defensivey. At east the first shot was blocked by good closing from the defence.

The defensive AI in Fifa is very good, and you don't get acres to play in, even when you're passing it around the back four, that's bulshit. I actually think they need to reduce the pressure applied by the CPU forwards, who will nick the ball off you every time if you aren't moving it around quickly.

You clearly know nothing mate, now jog on.

 

[byondthought]

I love the AI on fifa it creates the same *circumstances* as real football...

If you get the chance to dribble past players you can..for me it has everything pes has and more..

The circumstances that happen in pes lean more to an acadish stand point and you can always force the dribble or through ball..

 

[dicky_t]

"passing ever played a through ball on FIFA and its hit the intended receivers heels and the move breaks down? ever tried to play a square ball to an oncoming runner and its gone behind him because you didnt time it right no? i bet you have on PES now thats realism not all passes are accurate if they were why would there be schools of exellence ,football coaches ,and boots all designed to help a player"

Care to explain this comment if you use manual passing on both games Dicky? :ninja:

Also, going back to my goals. I've scored better ones than those on assisisted. On manual it's fucking hard to score goals full stop, especially on World Class or Legendary. Your tactics do not work, because manual controls do not allow you to just ping the ball around at will.

And your defence arguments are laughable. Those goals i scored were not poor defending. On Adebayor's, Arshavin left the defender behind with a correctly timed turn of pace. He then put the lobbed ball directly over the player's head who was in a great postion to block the ground through ball. Adebayor was too quick for his marker and got on the end of it. For RVP's header, Arshavin had space because the play was switched, just like he would in real life. If the opposition right back was right next to him then he would not be working as a unit with the rest of his defence. From there he's FIRED a pin point ball to Van Persie giing the centre back no time to get close to him. DJ Campbell's goal, there was nothing extra that could have been done defensivey. At east the first shot was blocked by good closing from the defence.

The defensive AI in Fifa is very good, and you don't get acres to play in, even when you're passing it around the back four, that's bulshit. I actually think they need to reduce the pressure applied by the CPU forwards, who will nick the ball off you every time if you aren't moving it around quickly.

You clearly know nothing mate, now jog on.

ok since ive got a brain i`ll digress and well done its only taken you three days at least to reply since i posted that ,your quick almost as sharp as fifa`s AI

first to my comment you quoted ,i never got any of that when i played fifa on manual,i got the odd occasional over hit pass

and my tactics do work as thats what i used playing manual and i didnt ping the ball around at will please see the follow up post where i explained how to play it

and as for the defending also once again please see my post after the post you made with the links in

that explains it all

no doubt you will come back in a weeks time once you have thought of something

 

[byondthought]

ok since ive got a brain i`ll digress and well done its only taken you three days at least to reply since i posted that ,your quick almost as sharp as fifa`s AI

first to my comment you quoted ,i never got any of that when i played fifa on manual,i got the odd occasional over hit pass

and my tactics do work as thats what i used playing manual and i didnt ping the ball around at will please see the follow up post where i explained how to play it

and as for the defending also once again please see my post after the post you made with the links in

that explains it all

no doubt you will come back in a weeks time once you have thought of something

are you still here..!!!

now i know how dumb you actually are its taken the fun out of it....

 

[Tech_Skill]

as you can see a blatant misquote

but its not my fault you cant play pes ,but i feel you have chosen well in decieding to play fifa as its clearly the easier game and who knows when your older and better and cleverer(i used this word espicially for you) one day you may just be able to win on pes

Yes, going 4/5 seasons unbeaten on the hardest setting.....your right, i cant play the game. lmao.

Yes you are right, I cant handle the computer passing the ball for me, I cant handle 8 directional movement, and i cant handle the handful of player animations

So i moved to the 'easier' game without the computer assisting my every move with double the movement and much more animations which the maker of PES himself says he would rather have than his own shitty animations, and by accounts of most living breathing mammals a more challenging AI.

Keep talking moron.

 

[trigglebeef]

ok since ive got a brain i`ll digress and well done its only taken you three days at least to reply since i posted that ,your quick almost as sharp as fifa`s AI

first to my comment you quoted ,i never got any of that when i played fifa on manual,i got the odd occasional over hit pass

and my tactics do work as thats what i used playing manual and i didnt ping the ball around at will please see the follow up post where i explained how to play it

and as for the defending also once again please see my post after the post you made with the links in

that explains it all

no doubt you will come back in a weeks time once you have thought of something

I haven't been on the forum over the weekend turdbrain. And your answers here are shit. They don't make any sense to be frank.

 

[byondthought]

Does anyone else feel a little bit sorry for seabass??? Japanese people dont look too kindly on failure..!!

I wonder what all the konami people are thinking, 2 failed years, the most loyal fans deserting to the competitor, a shite game and less profits to re-invest...

PES was the underdog fighter, now its the old dithering ex-champ that maybe only has 1 fight left...!!!

i havnt played it but, i think pes2009 would make a good PSP football game....

 

[trigglebeef]

I do feel sorry for them. As i said before though, it was inevitable that EA would eventually over power Konami, it just took them so long to find the right formula, that maybe Konami started relaxing thinking it would never happen. Maybe though, just maybe, Konami have been working on a completely new engine for Pro Evo, and have released 08 and 09 with minimal effort just to make sure they stay on the map until the beast is released?

 

[byondthought]

I do feel sorry for them. As i said before though, it was inevitable that EA would eventually over power Konami, it just took them so to find the right formula, that maybe Konami started relaxing thinking it would never happen. Maybe though, just maybe, Konami have been working on a completely new engine for Pro Evo, and have released 08 and 09 with minimal effort just to make sure they stay on the map until the beast is released?

ah, the Loch Ness monster....

 

[Alolo91]

It's like Seabass is making Pes bad at purpose!!!!

 

[muzza798]

I have shot PES down like pigeon at a shotgun range but everytime i play fifa i just feel sad inside because pes has so many memories and has been there with me and my group mates since we were about 12. Its a part of me and my gaming life. If i bring up PES in a conversation we can talk about it for hours cos we have done so many tournaments in our time (me winning 90% of them) and cups which were so fun like when me and 2 of my mates were in the final of the World cup and i scored an equalising goal in the 93rd minute or somin and we went fuking crazy like we were at a real football match.

I love fifa now much more than pes as Seabass has strangely taken things away from the game rather than adding stuff i.e. edit mode, pes shop, MEMORIAL MATCH etc. Key components, but if pes was good again i'd be back in heartbeat. I miss the ML like theres no tomorrow and absolutely nothing in gaming is more satisfying than watching your younsters grow up to be unstoppable superstars and become legends.

I just wish Pes made gameplay changes and i am fuking dying with frustration they wont listen to me and put a youth team system in the game. How good would it be buying and selling players in your youth team and letting them grow there instead of watching them rot in your reserves.

Its hard to explain but pes feels like its lost its randomosity. Like in pes 4 i remember the ball flying all over the place with shots going here there and everywhere and balls pinging off the goalies kneee and stuff like that. Now days everything feels like its planned out. Every shot feels like i know where its going to go to the pixel and every running move or turn i can read like a vietnam novel. They've made the game feel stiff and randomless. There needs to be a annimation revolution to haul this game back.

Pes's decsion making is as confusing as a 29,000 piece puzzel of uzebekistan and they need to make revolutionary changes to gameplay. On the fifa forums tonnes of the fifa faithful are really unhappy with fifa and it seems like more pes converts play it than the fifa faithful do. Fifa 09 is like the game all Pes faithfuls wanted. We can ALL thank fifa for their annimation and gameplay components as it will surely help guid PES to become the No1 selling footy game it should be.

 

[muzza798]

I do feel sorry for them. As i said before though, it was inevitable that EA would eventually over power Konami, it just took them so long to find the right formula, that maybe Konami started relaxing thinking it would never happen. Maybe though, just maybe, Konami have been working on a completely new engine for Pro Evo, and have released 08 and 09 with minimal effort just to make sure they stay on the map until the beast is released?

Lol now thats hopeful thinking but my fingers and toes are crossed your right. Im sure i can remember somewhere where seabass said somthing in regards to pes 2010. I cant remember what it was but it was something. Athe lads at WENB were saying for months that pes 2009 will be an evolution and PES 2010 probably be the revolution and they have decent sources. I, after slating pes for months, am actually starting to picture the next pes in my mind and can see something good. The massive overhauls in gameplay they need to add arent impossible like annimation etc and can be done. Pes can be a great game next year but it just comes down to wether Fifa will blitz pes again and plough everything into improving their gameplay.

 

[Amateur]

I do feel sorry for them. As i said before though, it was inevitable that EA would eventually over power Konami, it just took them so long to find the right formula, that maybe Konami started relaxing thinking it would never happen. Maybe though, just maybe, Konami have been working on a completely new engine for Pro Evo, and have released 08 and 09 with minimal effort just to make sure they stay on the map until the beast is released?

I agree with most of what you said.. particularly about the Top Secret "New Engine". I believe that Konami must have something under their sleeve, if they don't have anything of the sort, it is a lost cause.

But I don't think it was inevitable.. I think it was more that Konami allowed FIFA to catch up with them to the point where FIFA is now the Top Football Sim.

EA took the lead on Next Gen Consoles. Whereas Konami kept dragging the same old game to Next Gen Consoles -- PES6 on XBOX 360. Konami then tried to change things with PES08 and PES09 and made their situation worst. It really looks like a lost cause by now.

Konami is not showing any hints of progress at all, not since PES5. On the other hand FIFA has improved drastically, the progress is there for all to see, and the sales reflect that.

Judging by the look of things, FIFA 2010 will be another breakthrough for EA -and- PES 2010 will be another declaration of a series in decline.

I would really like to see PES back on top, but there's no way I can see that happening any time soon.

 

[dicky_t]

I haven't been on the forum over the weekend turdbrain. And your answers here are shit. They don't make any sense to be frank.

and the reason you didnt understand them is why you play fifa

and on another note can we please keep the childish insults ,swearing and general abuse off the boards to do them when theres a bit of banter flowing is only an excuse for it ,but to do it for no reason ,shows a lack of inteligence ,respect and class

good day sir

 

[dan80]

I have shot PES down like pigeon at a shotgun range but everytime i play fifa i just feel sad inside because pes has so many memories and has been there with me and my group mates since we were about 12. Its a part of me and my gaming life. If i bring up PES in a conversation we can talk about it for hours cos we have done so many tournaments in our time (me winning 90% of them) and cups which were so fun like when me and 2 of my mates were in the final of the World cup and i scored an equalising goal in the 93rd minute or somin and we went fuking crazy like we were at a real football match.

I love fifa now much more than pes as Seabass has strangely taken things away from the game rather than adding stuff i.e. edit mode, pes shop, MEMORIAL MATCH etc. Key components, but if pes was good again i'd be back in heartbeat. I miss the ML like theres no tomorrow and absolutely nothing in gaming is more satisfying than watching your younsters grow up to be unstoppable superstars and become legends.

I just wish Pes made gameplay changes and i am fuking dying with frustration they wont listen to me and put a youth team system in the game. How good would it be buying and selling players in your youth team and letting them grow there instead of watching them rot in your reserves.

Its hard to explain but pes feels like its lost its randomosity. Like in pes 4 i remember the ball flying all over the place with shots going here there and everywhere and balls pinging off the goalies kneee and stuff like that. Now days everything feels like its planned out. Every shot feels like i know where its going to go to the pixel and every running move or turn i can read like a vietnam novel. They've made the game feel stiff and randomless. There needs to be a annimation revolution to haul this game back.

Pes's decsion making is as confusing as a 29,000 piece puzzel of uzebekistan and they need to make revolutionary changes to gameplay. On the fifa forums tonnes of the fifa faithful are really unhappy with fifa and it seems like more pes converts play it than the fifa faithful do. Fifa 09 is like the game all Pes faithfuls wanted. We can ALL thank fifa for their annimation and gameplay components as it will surely help guid PES to become the No1 selling footy game it should be.

i completly agree with u like u now what going to happan on a shot u know when the keeper will drop the ball and playing cup mode with mates back in the day was the best not anymore