Psm3 thoughts on pes2010

[proevofan88]

i don't get most of you , you should really read before you reply , because i never said that this was my final judgement about the game because i havn't even played the game yet so all i can do at this point is go with the views of a few that have.
judging from those it doesn't sound to promising if the only highlight that comes to their minds after hours of playing is the graphics.
even if the game is 50% finished i was really hoping for a lot more improvements than just the graphics.
in my eyes PES 2009 wasn't a failure and FIFA still has a lot to do if it wants to catch up to PES so those of you who want to put me on the PES haters list........please don't do some research and you'll see that i'm not.

but the fact remains that i had high hopes and expectations for PES2010 not only for myself to play but to finally shut all the FIFA fans up ( those of you who come here often know who i mean ) who visit this site sooooo often.
at the moment those hopes and expectations don't look like being fulfilled.
still i'm hopefull like all of you are because at the moment that's all we can do, or am i missing something ?

Well what are your expectations then? Have you not read WENB ( and ign's and PESFANS amongst others ) about how much realism the team play and card system bring to the table? This is TEAMVISION the way it was supposed to have been to begin with.

Come on man, you are saying its not looking like it will fulfill your hopes yet you have not seen ONE gameplay video.

The guys over at WENB who played FIFA ( at 45% ) and played FIFA ( at 70% ) said the difference was NIGHT and DAY....as in there is NO COMPARISON of how much a differece the extra 20 - 25 % made to the game.

PLACE HOLDERS...learn this word please. The 50% build ( like konami have said and mane that have played it ) is the FOUNDATION of PES2010....

Simulation
Slower Pace
Better passing
More tactical

ok great


Those are the difficult things to program....
Now you just apply the paint to the car.

Meaning you add animations ( which, literally, you should IMPLEMENT which wont take much at all ), add the teams, do the transfers, brush up the A.I. a bit more,etc.....

The first 45 minutes were well played by Konami this year....
Now comes the other 45 minutes where they show us what they got...

Now lets wait and see what happens....wont be long before we see gameplay videos ( GAMESCOM is in about a month....and i would suspect will see a video before )....

btw I am not calling you a hater I am jsut asking you politely to not bash a game you have not played or seen in action....say all you want about PES 2009 but you have not played 2010 so dont know if its good or no...

 

[RAMAXWY]

Well what are your expectations then? Have you not read WENB ( and ign's and PESFANS amongst others ) about how much realism the team play and card system bring to the table? This is TEAMVISION the way it was supposed to have been to begin with.

Come on man, you are saying its not looking like it will fulfill your hopes yet you have not seen ONE gameplay video.

The guys over at WENB who played FIFA ( at 45% ) and played FIFA ( at 70% ) said the difference was NIGHT and DAY....as in there is NO COMPARISON of how much a differece the extra 20 - 25 % made to the game.

PLACE HOLDERS...learn this word please. The 50% build ( like konami have said and mane that have played it ) is the FOUNDATION of PES2010....

Simulation
Slower Pace
Better passing
More tactical

ok great


Those are the difficult things to program....
Now you just apply the paint to the car.

Meaning you add animations ( which, literally, you should IMPLEMENT which wont take much at all ), add the teams, do the transfers, brush up the A.I. a bit more,etc.....

The first 45 minutes were well played by Konami this year....
Now comes the other 45 minutes where they show us what they got...

Now lets wait and see what happens....wont be long before we see gameplay videos ( GAMESCOM is in about a month....and i would suspect will see a video before )....

btw I am not calling you a hater I am jsut asking you politely to not bash a game you have not played or seen in action....say all you want about PES 2009 but you have not played 2010 so dont know if its good or no...

ok my friend i'm really hoping you are right.
yeah and come too think of it 50% is a lot.
50% healthy isn't the same as 100% healthy is it ?

 

[proevofan88]

ok my friend i'm really hoping you are right.
yeah and come too think of it 50% is a lot.
50% healthy isn't the same as 100% healthy is it ?

Sure is hehe.

But really...I know konami is a big business and we dont owe to them to be loyal. They havent been very loyal to us lately.

So the reason I am quite optimistic about this PES is simply that the what they played and 50% and thought that the game ( the ai and the tactics ) worked so well was good news to me....and the slower pace off course and how much of a simulation it is.

But then again....we just have no way of knowing yet if it will be the next great PES...

Thats why for now we should go on facts and hopes..

once the 70% buils is played then, I think, we shoud start drawing conclusion as to how its shaping up to be....but at 50% it is just simply too early...

We are both in the same boat...we want PES to be great again....

 

[RAMAXWY]

We are both in the same boat...we want PES to be great again....

yup totally agree....

 

[shankly is god]

ok can we stop the arguing now because its really pissing me off..can we talk about aspects of the game going on what info we have been giving...constructive judgment please

 

[RAMAXWY]

ok can we stop the arguing now because its really pissing me off..can we talk about aspects of the game going on what info we have been giving...constructive judgment please

well the pace seems to be slower and the pitch seems to be the same still they say you will have less time on the ball............don't really get that.
if it plays a better passing game than PES2010 wouldn't you expect more time on the ball with the lower speed especially ?

 

[proevofan88]

well the pace seems to be slower and the pitch seems to be the same still they say you will have less time on the ball............don't really get that.
if it plays a better passing game than PES2010 wouldn't you expect more time on the ball with the lower speed especially ?

From the playtests. what i have read. it means that defenders will close you down quicker once you receive the ball. The ball will be passed more and move quicker....but the players themselves will be slower.

If you ask how that is possible that the game is slower but defenders are quicker to close you down: My guess is that the AI will have better positioning nd therefore not leave much space.

 

[MatTheCat]

Cutting the crap now........
So.....
Also known as Fifa 09 'custom tactics', complete utter rip off, nothing innovative.

Have to pull you up this.

Whilst I do not disagree that FIFA is more advanced than PES with a greatly more sophisticated game engine.

FIFA only finally got its act together by TOTALLY FUCKING COPYING the PES game engine. So lets not be picky about one set of developers borrowing ideas from the others.

 

[shaun7]

From the playtests. what i have read. it means that defenders will close you down quicker once you receive the ball. The ball will be passed more and move quicker....but the players themselves will be slower.

If you ask how that is possible that the game is slower but defenders are quicker to close you down: My guess is that the AI will have better positioning nd therefore not leave much space.

In pes 09 the defenders didn't mean try to close you down. They left you in open space. I think that means that they won't be any faster, but be more responsive and close you down much better. By closing, I don't mean run faster, but close spaces and gaps better.

 

[proevofan88]

In pes 09 the defenders didn't mean try to close you down. They left you in open space. I think that means that they won't be any faster, but be more responsive and close you down much better. By closing, I don't mean run faster, but close spaces and gaps better.

Correct

 

[Stormrider]

Am I the only person excited about the new card system? :ninja:
It'll add an unprecedented level of player individuality to footy games.

 

[Hunter]

Have to pull you up this.

Whilst I do not disagree that FIFA is more advanced than PES with a greatly more sophisticated game engine.

FIFA only finally got its act together by TOTALLY FUCKING COPYING the PES game engine. So lets not be picky about one set of developers borrowing ideas from the others.

We might have bumped heads in the past, but I couldn't agree more here. I've also mentioned it myself a few page back in this thread I'm sure. FIFA blatently copied not only the PES game, but the control system as well. But as I said previously, I honestly couldn't care if they borrow from each other just as long as the games are very good.

Am I the only person excited about the new card system?
It'll add an unprecedented level of player individuality to footy games.

I'm definitely happy about the card system, being able to ultimately manage your players properly and basically tell them if they can utilise their own special abilities. Turning them off or on to match the desired tactics and strategies is a great touch and adds a whole new tactical element to the game. PES already excelled in the tactics department with customised formations and player positions, but now with the added sliders and optional card system this will unlock a whole new feast of possibilities.

 

[RAMAXWY]

We might have bumped heads in the past, but I couldn't agree more here. I've also mentioned it myself a few page back in this thread I'm sure. FIFA blatently copied not only the PES game, but the control system as well. But as I said previously, I honestly couldn't care if they borrow from each other just as long as the games are very good.



I'm definitely happy about the card system, being able to ultimately manage your players properly and basically tell them if they can utilise their own special abilities. Turning them off or on to match the desired tactics and strategies is a great touch and adds a whole new tactical element to the game. PES already excelled in the tactics department with customised formations and player positions, but now with the added sliders and optional card system this will unlock a whole new feast of possibilities.

yeah totally agree.
it's always the subtle changes KONAMI make that still make a big difference in gameplay and make it hard to explain what u feel until u've played it yourself.
maybe that's the problem with the people who tested the game because for me not even a week is enough to really appreciate all the new things KONAMI incorporate in a new game, so a few hours just won't do.

so a slower game pace, less time on the ball because off better positioning from defenders coupled with individual special abilities from players which can open a game up or close it down and the luxury to decide what abilities u want to use at any given time in the game.
keeping in mind that the opposition has the same luxury.
it doesn't even sound subtle anymore because u will and must feel the difference if all this works well and knowing KONAMI i think it will.

i'm feeling a lot better at the moment about the game and looking forwards to it now.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Have to pull you up this.

Whilst I do not disagree that FIFA is more advanced than PES with a greatly more sophisticated game engine.

FIFA only finally got its act together by TOTALLY FUCKING COPYING the PES game engine. So lets not be picky about one set of developers borrowing ideas from the others.

Here's the difference, fifa copied the ideas that needed copying.

Powerbars, and the other stuff were absolute nessecities.

If PES copy from fifa, copy the passing powerbar which lets you weight passes, copy the 360 movement, why copy custom tactics and then make it out to be revolutionary, when I personally dont think it is.

As I have said before, its not critcizing Konami for copying, its critzicing the for the ideas that they are copying.

Who in their right mind is gonna turn down Fifa's 360 movement, because PES has tactics sliders, that you can pretty much get in fifa 09 custom tactics anyways? And for Proevofan 88, yes the sliders do work in fifa and there are way more of them then in the new PES game too, allowing you more control.

I guess what im trying to say is, PES2010 has a lack of Unique Selling points. (which come as a result of innovative ideas)

That differentiator to make a customer think "Actually, i really wanna try this aspect of the game, I cant get this anywhere else but in PES, thats why I have to buy it"

What customers will think is "Thats good, but I can get most if not all of this, in the other game (FIFA), plus additional extras PES doesnt have"

This the reason they will lose again this year.

 

[Hunter]

But that's exactly where your argument falls flat because Konami aren't making the tactics slider out to be revolutionary, they're merely stating that it's a new feature and will further enhance the managerial tactical element that the game already excels at. This coupled with the new cards system for player individuality and you've got a potentially great combination that can be integrated into the already existing excellent PES strategy element.

Konami aren't claiming the tactics slider is revolutionarily innovative, they're just explaining that it adds to the strategies and tactics that already exist. Plus I would have thought the selling points this year are the enhanced Master League, as well as the already announced online system.

I could honestly pass up FIFA's 360 movement for PES's solid gameplay that epitimises longevity. FIFA may already have had tactics slider, but it doesn't mean that the actual tactics and strategies as well as formations were all that customisable. Anywho, FIFA's not here nor there.

 

[Lugash]

And for Proevofan 88, yes the sliders do work in fifa and there are way more of them then in the new PES game too, allowing you more control.

The sliders do absolutey fuck all in FIFA as far as I can tell, apart fro change Andy Gray's spiel at the start of a game.

 

[RAMAXWY]

what do you expect them to say, " we have sliders and cards now too just like FIFA".
YOU MUST BE JOKING RIGHT.
no company in their right mind even mentions their competition while marketing their product.
so then the sliders and cards for PES are revolutionary because they weren't there before so they are new cause PES is introducing them this year.
do you wanna bet that they work better in PES ?.
copying an idea is one thing FIFA SHOULD KNOW but making it better and making it work that's a whole nother ball game ( which PES is by the way ).

 

[Tech_Skill]

But that's exactly where your argument falls flat because Konami aren't making the tactics slider out to be revolutionary, they're merely stating that it's a new feature and will further enhance the managerial tactical element that the game already excels at. This coupled with the new cards system for player individuality and you've got a potentially great combination that can be integrated into the already existing excellent PES strategy element.

Konami aren't claiming the tactics slider is revolutionarily innovative, they're just explaining that it adds to the strategies and tactics that already exist. Plus I would have thought the selling points this year are the enhanced Master League, as well as the already announced online system.

I could honestly pass up FIFA's 360 movement for PES's solid gameplay that epitimises longevity. FIFA may already have had tactics slider, but it doesn't mean that the actual tactics and strategies as well as formations were all that customisable. Anywho, FIFA's not here nor there.

Nah, I was being a little naughty with my wording, but they are over hyping it imo, of all the ideas they can copy from fifa, custom tactics wasnt the most important, thats my arguement, there are other things before that. They still aint even got a powerbar for passing, lol, but they got time for playing cards? lol.

Another thing is, Fifa 09 doesnt have longevity for me personally, but with all the vast improvements made to Fifa 10, it would be wrong assume the new game wont haveany longevity either.

Personally, I aint touching (playing long term) no 8 directional cpu automated game, just because its got a couple of playing cards and sliders that already exist in another game. The custom tactics do work in fifa, but even if pro implement them better, thats not enough to make me say

"Okay the tactics sliders in PES2010 are more effective, let me go back to the dark ages and play in rigid 8 directional movement, where cpu controls my passing and wipes my ass for me, where I have less teams, less players, cant create and control my own set pieces, cant do one on one skill dribbling, cant even change team mid season in a career mode etc..."

lol.

 

[shaun7]

Am I the only person excited about the new card system? :ninja:
It'll add an unprecedented level of player individuality to footy games.

If it will work the way they say it will, then yes, it'll bring another level of football/managment realism. But it needs to work first. I am also excited to see it in action.


Also fifa has no cards like in pes so that is no copying. As for copying of things. I already said. Every game will copy things to make their game better. I can't recall how many times fifa copied things from pes back in the ps2 days. So copying is no excuse.
If you copy and make it work better then yes it's a good thing.

As for 360 movement in fifa 10. Yes it is great but it needs to work great aswell, and for me, it's better to fix responsivness because without responsivness no game can be enjoyed that much no matter how you try.

 

[Tech_Skill]

If it will work the way they say it will, then yes, it'll bring another level of football/managment realism. But it needs to work first. I am also excited to see it in action.


Also fifa has no cards like in pes so that is no copying. As for copying of things. I already said. Every game will copy things to make their game better. I can't recall how many times fifa copied things from pes back in the ps2 days. So copying is no excuse.
If you copy and make it work better then yes it's a good thing.

As for 360 movement in fifa 10. Yes it is great but it needs to work great aswell, and for me, it's better to fix responsivness because without responsivness no game can be enjoyed that much no matter how you try.

*Yawn *

I didnt mean the playing cards are in FIFA, obviously they are not

I am saying, they have a couple of cards

AND SOME SLIDERS THAT ARE IN ANOTHER GAME.

(Referring to the silders only)

Lol.....some of the rubbish I read on here is just hilarious

Okay then, you take your responsivness, and move in 8 directions, with the computer assisting nearly every move.

Ill take 360 movement, with total control over passing, shootng, set peices (to a degree) , penalties.

When pes finally gets 360 movement, (prolly in pes 2020 or summin) the usuals will be gushing with "Amazing, unreal, this is gonna be the best"

Enough already, wev'e heard it before from usuals on here

If the idea is in FIFA = "It might not work, we cant judge it yet"
When the idea is in PES "Sounds awesome, amazing etc"

Good review about PES= "This game is going to be great"
Bad review about PES= "Lets wait until it comes out, the reviewer is just trying to cause a stir"

Konami must be pissing themsevles at some of you people, 1st they made you believe they have been working on this since 2008 and in that time they have come up with a few new animations, A tactics slider and some player cards, and changed the currency in master league from "5000" to "5 Million" or summin

And some of you think this is acceptable.

When in one year, the other game gives you unparralled control over dribbling, and set peices and totally revamps the career mode.

L-O-L.

That alone tells you PES isnt progressing properly.

Nearly 10 years plus of master league and they still havent even worked out a way for you to be more than one team in a career mode, on a ps3/xbox 360 which gives them more power than ever?

Fuck-outta-here.