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Goodbye Konami.

arsenald

Registered User
jesus whats with all the swearing you sound like a bunch of schoolchildren have some respect there could be children on here!!! Oh they are !

want my opinion on the pes vs fifa.

Ive had fifa for the last year, now ive gone back to pro!!
PES although fifa is very good still is the better football experience.
just without the fancy gfx and licenses, ask yourself this, if they both didnt have licenses (at all) what would be the better game then??
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
want my opinion on the pes vs fifa.

No thanks, fuck off.

Most living breathing mammals would agree, PES needs a complete overhaul, FIFA doesn't, thats without highlighting the obvious gameplay flaws of pes2010.

Very simple. fifa world cup demo, a slighly tweaked version of fifa 10, is considerably more advanced in regards to gameplay than PES2010, that alone tells you the gap between the two games.

PES is old, stale, and hardly different to the game it was many years ago.

Having said that, I am not for one minute saying fifa 10 is a great game, as said before, in terms of the bugs, its was an absolute disgrace, having said that, accounting for in game gameplay, its still more advanced than PES.... the last time i saw something so robotic and on rails was thomas the tank engine.

This bloke had it spot on also,

tactical realism? are you having a fucking larf? Since when does the AI being able to crack your players in the back from behind and no foul being given count as 'tactical realism'? The passing is also fucked. At times it seems almost random. I can't stand PES fan boys like you. People like you are the main reason this series has gone stale and complacent. Because there are always people of limited intelligence who will buy the game no matter how bad it is. Why don't you just bend over and let Seabass do in reality what he has been doing to every PES player since PES 5 came out.

Seabass is a halfwit :)
 

muzza798

Registered User
This place reeks of imaturity. People act all tough behind their PC screens but when the sh#t hits the fan everyone turns out to be a pussy.

Trying to win a forum war is just sad and what loosers do.
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
This place reeks of imaturity. People act all tough behind their PC screens but when the sh#t hits the fan everyone turns out to be a pussy.

Trying to win a forum war is just sad and what loosers do.

Are you fucking talking to me?

If so, name names.

This fucking place is quiet as hell, the exception being a few girls getting their panties in a twist.

So, make my day, name names, make your point, ill counter and then we'll see what happens.., no fucking "forum wars", this aint world of warcraft or summin, its a bunch of blokes talking smack about football games.
 

muzza798

Registered User
Theres no need to swear to sound big here. Lets just focus on Pes 2011 instead of the back and forth about Pes vs Fifa where there have been a fare few aggressive posts recently when it was completely uncalled for. WENB is a great place. Loads of news and hints and the forums are always busy so if your bored here then go there.
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
Theres no need to swear to sound big here. Lets just focus on Pes 2011 instead of the back and forth about Pes vs Fifa where there have been a fare few aggressive posts recently when it was completely uncalled for. WENB is a great place. Loads of news and hints and the forums are always busy so if your bored here then go there.

Pes 2011, where do you begin?

The thing is....every year were go through the obvious, and Konami do fuck all. Yet again this year seabass is promising another overhaul, its very simple, the al the animations need reworking, the AI needs reworking to allow games to be built up via the midfield rather than run fests though the middle, the movement needs overhauling because its still on rails, passing needs reworking as its laser like and needs little skill if any all, the camera angles are crap, physical contact between players is shit, nets are shit, transfers aren't up to date when the game comes out after fifa, game is too fucking fast in game atmosphere is poor...the same old shit people have been asking for, for years, and it never happens.

Also, i hope we dont have to go through the whole bullshit about builds, 50% build, 55.2% build, who's got what build and how the 100% build is a completley different game to the 99.999999999999% build.

The way information about the games reaches fans and the way the game is marketed is a joke, sites like WENB should be ashamed for the misinformation they constantly spread, remember adam's MIND BLOWING news for pes 2010???? what the fuck was that, cos he sounded like a retard when he said it, and sounds like a retard when you look back at what he said in retrospect.

All this secrecy from Konami, talk of builds, stupid updates on their website which tell you fuck all about the game.....its just so behind the times and inappropriate considering the circumstances they are in right now.

To be honest, seabass should do the right thing and stand down imo, i believe some of the pes nutters on this forum could make a better next gen PES then he has, he seems completley detached from the reality of what a realistic football game actually comprises of.
 

Kefir

Registered User
Pes 2011, where do you begin?

The thing is....every year were go through the obvious, and Konami do fuck all. Yet again this year seabass is promising another overhaul, its very simple, the al the animations need reworking, the AI needs reworking to allow games to be built up via the midfield rather than run fests though the middle, the movement needs overhauling because its still on rails, passing needs reworking as its laser like and needs little skill if any all, the camera angles are crap, physical contact between players is shit, nets are shit, transfers aren't up to date when the game comes out after fifa, game is too fucking fast in game atmosphere is poor...the same old shit people have been asking for, for years, and it never happens.

Also, i hope we dont have to go through the whole bullshit about builds, 50% build, 55.2% build, who's got what build and how the 100% build is a completley different game to the 99.999999999999% build.

The way information about the games reaches fans and the way the game is marketed is a joke, sites like WENB should be ashamed for the misinformation they constantly spread, remember adam's MIND BLOWING news for pes 2010???? what the fuck was that, cos he sounded like a retard when he said it, and sounds like a retard when you look back at what he said in retrospect.

All this secrecy from Konami, talk of builds, stupid updates on their website which tell you fuck all about the game.....its just so behind the times and inappropriate considering the circumstances they are in right now.

To be honest, seabass should do the right thing and stand down imo, i believe some of the pes nutters on this forum could make a better next gen PES then he has, he seems completley detached from the reality of what a realistic football game actually comprises of.

As I have mentioned at pesfan.com forums a party was held the evening before a important meeting that is why some part of the game is rubbish. Several programmers had hangovers and did not show for that Meeting. Mr. Tanaka was furious and Seabass had to answer some serious questions. I think Tanaka and Ishami did a good job there but Seabass responsible for the party and some of the crew needs to perform and i mean RIGHT now COMPRENDE.
 

89cruefan

Registered User
first of all tech_skill stop being a complete douche. understand that people have different opinions to yours and that just because they do they are not inferior. Your posts shout immaturity and well its childish. Accept that people have different views then yours and move on. all this bitching is annoying

Yes we know you really have a problem with pes, deal with it. do not condemn others who like pes. I have not been on here for the past few months as i have spent them playing fifa. I have religeously played both games and well both have advantages and disadvantages.

In my opinion pes2010 is the better game. Yes there are less liscences, less players and gameplay problems. but fifa has a lot more wrong with it. People are actually bitching a lot more on the fifa site about problems and some actually taking legal action for it being an incomplete game
I think fifa is completely inferior. The graphics are rubbish, Players look nothing like how they should, game is not good on tv's smaller then 42". Literally on smaller tv's you need a magnifying glass to read some of the names and stuff. The commentary is terrible and out of sync. literally tyler will shout goal before the ball has even crossed the line. They will shout thats another corner when the ball has actually been kept in etc etc. The gameplay is terrible and scripted. Pes has more feeling, you can feel when you head the ball or get pushed off the ball. on fifa you cant. The shooting technique is flawed. when you press for a powerful shot it fluffs it, when you want a weak shot it is ballooned over the bar. In tense need a goal situations when you press shoot the player decides to dance around the ball in a circle instead. The scripting on fifa is terrible and very noticeable. The more you play MM the more it scripts. so much as i played the same game against blackburn 5 times, the score finished 2-0 each time with the exact same scorers in each game and with the goals coming at roughly the same time. Transfers are too easy, glitches and bugs ruin the game completely. it seems all fifa is about is online play now. I dont just mean scripting for games you lose. i mean games you win too. example a scripted game i played against barca i won 5-0 and well by the second half i stopped taking shots cos it felt everyshot i would take would go in. Next game against middlesbrough i think, i drew 0-0 and everyshot i took seemed like it wouldnt go in at all. and i mean newcastle had no shots, i had 25 with 22 being on target. in the barca game i had 6 shots with 5 being on target. referees are biased. more nicer decisions against the opposition. they get away with so many fouls its untrue, its too easy to get a penalty

Pes on the otherhand has better graphics, players look a lot more lifelike, commentary which is still bad beats fifas anyday. ML is a lot more enjoyable and realistic. Some scripting but not scripted all the time. yes on pes the refs are bad but they are bad to both sides, not to just one.

Overall both pes and fifa need to look at each others games for improvements. Tbh i feel the only reason fifa outsells pes is due to all the liscences that they have. Take that out of the question and well fifa is inferior by miles. All Ea sports has suceeded in doing in my time of playing fifa is basically making sure i stay with pes in the future.

thats my views and i can expect tech_skill to throw a hissyfit and call me an abomination to mankind cos i like pes better but ah well. grow up
 

EnglishSnake

Registered User
Im still liking the game, i havent bought 1 since PES7 and i really like PES 2010 the AI is attacking me, thers build up play the ML/BAP is world class

The engine defo needs an update but its still a better game than fifa

What would you want?

A game which looks like its football but plays like ice hockey or a game which looks like robots but plays more like football?
 

Kefir

Registered User
first of all tech_skill stop being a complete douche. understand that people have different opinions to yours and that just because they do they are not inferior. Your posts shout immaturity and well its childish. Accept that people have different views then yours and move on. all this bitching is annoying

Yes we know you really have a problem with pes, deal with it. do not condemn others who like pes. I have not been on here for the past few months as i have spent them playing fifa. I have religeously played both games and well both have advantages and disadvantages.

In my opinion pes2010 is the better game. Yes there are less liscences, less players and gameplay problems. but fifa has a lot more wrong with it. People are actually bitching a lot more on the fifa site about problems and some actually taking legal action for it being an incomplete game
I think fifa is completely inferior. The graphics are rubbish, Players look nothing like how they should, game is not good on tv's smaller then 42". Literally on smaller tv's you need a magnifying glass to read some of the names and stuff. The commentary is terrible and out of sync. literally tyler will shout goal before the ball has even crossed the line. They will shout thats another corner when the ball has actually been kept in etc etc. The gameplay is terrible and scripted. Pes has more feeling, you can feel when you head the ball or get pushed off the ball. on fifa you cant. The shooting technique is flawed. when you press for a powerful shot it fluffs it, when you want a weak shot it is ballooned over the bar. In tense need a goal situations when you press shoot the player decides to dance around the ball in a circle instead. The scripting on fifa is terrible and very noticeable. The more you play MM the more it scripts. so much as i played the same game against blackburn 5 times, the score finished 2-0 each time with the exact same scorers in each game and with the goals coming at roughly the same time. Transfers are too easy, glitches and bugs ruin the game completely. it seems all fifa is about is online play now. I dont just mean scripting for games you lose. i mean games you win too. example a scripted game i played against barca i won 5-0 and well by the second half i stopped taking shots cos it felt everyshot i would take would go in. Next game against middlesbrough i think, i drew 0-0 and everyshot i took seemed like it wouldnt go in at all. and i mean newcastle had no shots, i had 25 with 22 being on target. in the barca game i had 6 shots with 5 being on target. referees are biased. more nicer decisions against the opposition. they get away with so many fouls its untrue, its too easy to get a penalty

Pes on the otherhand has better graphics, players look a lot more lifelike, commentary which is still bad beats fifas anyday. ML is a lot more enjoyable and realistic. Some scripting but not scripted all the time. yes on pes the refs are bad but they are bad to both sides, not to just one.

Overall both pes and fifa need to look at each others games for improvements. Tbh i feel the only reason fifa outsells pes is due to all the liscences that they have. Take that out of the question and well fifa is inferior by miles. All Ea sports has suceeded in doing in my time of playing fifa is basically making sure i stay with pes in the future.

thats my views and i can expect tech_skill to throw a hissyfit and call me an abomination to mankind cos i like pes better but ah well. grow up

:shocking:
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
first of all tech_skill stop being a complete douche. understand that people have different opinions to yours and that just because they do they are not inferior. Your posts shout immaturity and well its childish. Accept that people have different views then yours and move on. all this bitching is annoying

You dont like it, go put on your maxi pad and hush up, or confront me and get whats coming to you.

Yes we know you really have a problem with pes, deal with it. do not condemn others who like pes. I have not been on here for the past few months as i have spent them playing fifa.

Really??? how fucking enlightening, thanks for the diary, you sound like a crappy version of anne frank, say something remotley fucking interesting, save the life stories for your grandkids.


In my opinion pes2010 is the better game. Yes there are less liscences, less players and gameplay problems. but fifa has a lot more wrong with it. People are actually bitching a lot more on the fifa site about problems and some actually taking legal action for it being an incomplete game

Where have i ever denied the bugs in the game are awful and that the game is not finished....nowhere, so my advice to you, is to read my posts properly before you get on your soapbox. In terms of core gameplay, fifa is more advanced that pes. Without talking about the fact that fifa offers the user more on the field options, like manual and semi manual passing, though balls, crossing, it has way better players movement because the players are not on rails, and you can actually tell a player to make a run when you like, because of the skill dribbling and the fact the player animations are clearly superior to pes.

Infact without having to go in depth, i can say the following statement.

PES NEEDS A COMPLETE OVERHAUL, FIFA DOESNT.

Which is why i started talking about the FIFA WC game, which is a tweaked version of fifa, please play that game and come and tell me PES is more realistic with its insanley unrealistic gamespeed, shitty out of date animations, players running into each other to get the ball off another player, players feet not even touching the ball when they score, shitty keepers which spills loads, you can barley get a fucking penalty in any game and the PK taking is borderline crap imo, every CPU ai team pings it around like barcelona, shit nets, terrible crowd atmosphere which sounds like the crowd groaning like zombies, shit camera angles, rubbish DLC from what ive seen and CPU automated passing and shooting, which means the game is fucking easy, all you gotta do is press x couple of time then shoot as the passing is laser guided.

I think fifa is completely inferior. The graphics are rubbish, Players look nothing like how they should

Pure utter rubbish, fifa on a wide camera angle looks as good as if not better than pes, pes looks not as good on a wide camera angle, even the muppets on WENB complained about this, and most sane people know this, its only when you zoom in you realise how good the pes graphics are.

I missed out alot of the other stuff for the following reasons

1) As i have said many times, fifa is scripted and the bugs in it are disgrace, despite this, its still more advanced then pes overall which most people with a dick and 2 ball would agree to, pes still has the same old shit it had on ps2, no manual passing, through balls, shooting, no skill dribbling, the player movement is fucking shite, the speed of the game is an embrassment, it a fucking arcade game with the CPU deciding most of what you do.

2) I dont wanna hear about your life story. Call the samaritains or summin.


Pes on the otherhand has better graphics, players look a lot more lifelike, commentary which is still bad beats fifas anyday. ML is a lot more enjoyable and realistic.

Better graphics close up, and Master League, and commentary...dont forget shooting and heading.

And after all that shit you posted, that's all you could come up with as to why pes is better than fifa, because the rest of the game is a joke, its not even close to being anything like realistic, go play fifa wc demo, i dare you to tell me PES2010's gameplay is more advanced, that game willl show you how much better a tweaked version of fifa is better than pes at this moment, and pretty much proves why pes and needs and overhaul and fifa doesnt, thus destroying your retarded arguement about pes being way ahead of fifa.
 

arsenald

Registered User
You dont like it, go put on your maxi pad and hush up, or confront me and get whats coming to you.

skill- you have to be the BIGGEST A$$ ON THE INTERNET AT PRESENT...

I speak for us all.


know one cares about you, or your opinion.

now...... jog on!!!
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
You dont like it, go put on your maxi pad and hush up, or confront me and get whats coming to you.

skill- you have to be the BIGGEST A$$ ON THE INTERNET AT PRESENT...

Thank you.

Now, its banter time, this place is too quiet, start talking and stop flashing your knickers at me, you got summin to say, say it.

Pes needs a complete overhaul, seabass is doing a shit job, these things are near facts, why anyone would dispute that i dont know.
 

arsenald

Registered User
Thank you.

Now, its banter time, this place is too quiet, start talking and stop flashing your knickers at me, you got summin to say, say it.

errrmmmm... i thought i did.

but hey tech have you noticed in fifa 10 the Ai always sub, in or around the 6oth min mark. The ai and ai team management is shocking in fifa.
Yes i agree pes could be better but forget the bells n whistles that is fifa..... pes is a better football experience. BUGS OR NOT

have a good day, try not burst a blood vessel.
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
u can do manual pass with the right stick...or not?

Yes, so i stand corrected with my phrase no manual passing.

Can i also take this opportunity to say the manual passing in pes compared to fifa is a joke.

But i agree fifa10 is unfinished and EA sports are a DISGRACE for releasing a game with that many bugs.

But no way is pes way ahead of fifa right now, for me and most other, it hasnt been ahead for years.
 

GuNNerZae

Registered User
Yes, so i stand corrected with my phrase no manual passing.

Can i also take this opportunity to say the manual passing in pes compared to fifa is a joke.

But i agree fifa10 is unfinished and EA sports are a DISGRACE for releasing a game with that many bugs.

But no way is pes way ahead of fifa right now, for me and most other, it hasnt been ahead for years.

Do you really find it a necessity to swear as much as you do it is literally disgraceful.

to be perfectly honest one of the main reasons why people don't take your posts seriously is because every second word you type is 'Fuck' and if you're not swearing you're cheaply insulting others just because their expectations of a football game aren't at the same level as yours.

look i respect the fact that you want more out of Pro evo but at the end of the day we have ourselves a game with kick-ass graphics and animations that allow us to kick a football into the back of the net (even though the nets are questionable).

and if you desire more than that, may i suggest, going no further than the backyard or local park and have a kick with a mate or two.... besides, no bugs involved so what have you got to lose :D
 

stodge

Registered User
You dont like it, go put on your maxi pad and hush up, or confront me and get whats coming to you.

skill- you have to be the BIGGEST A$$ ON THE INTERNET AT PRESENT...

I speak for us all.


know one cares about you, or your opinion.

now...... jog on!!!

You don't speak for me. Ever.

I know nothing about tech_skill, nor do I want to. But I agree with some of his comments. PES 2010 IMO is crap and needs a complete rewrite. Animations; AI; referees; passing; collision (lack of); audio....
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Fifa is better ...Hands down

You don't speak for me. Ever.

I know nothing about tech_skill, nor do I want to. But I agree with some of his comments. PES 2010 IMO is crap and needs a complete rewrite. Animations; AI; referees; passing; collision (lack of); audio....

Second that!
He does not speak for me either.

Tech_Skill is 100% accurate with every single line he wrote ...PES is complete garbage ...Fifa not so much.

Anyone here who thinks that PES is better than the current Fifa needs to stop playing video games. Fifa is the new ISS...:w00t

Dec 1, 2009
"...Based on internal sales projections, FIFA 10 has sold through more than 4.5 million units worldwide since launch, a 26 percent increase over the same period a year ago (eight weeks in Europe and five weeks in North America). FIFA 10 also became the fastest-selling sports videogame in the world with 1.7 million units sold through at European retail in its first week after its launch on October 1, and it’s the top selling game overall in Europe in 2009.

FIFA 10 has achieved new franchise records for online play as well, averaging 3 million** games played daily and over 113 million^ total online games played on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 over the past two months, "

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21593/FIFA-10-Sells-More-than-4-Million/
I wonder who the hell is playing FIFA if PES is better ....maybe PES fans are just on the wrong side of the fence. :no:
 
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