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PES 2011 Stats

Stormrider

Registered User
He's a 94, not 98 so no he's not the best header in the history of Pes. Klose, Toni, Trezeguet, Gilardino, Martin Palermo, Inzaghi, Bierhoff, Alan Shearer, Van Basten, Ruud Gullitt, Borgetti, Zamorano, Hakan Sukur. These are just some of the players that have had 95+ header rating at some point. If you know Pes then you'd know that there's quite a big jump from 94 to 95+. You also can't just look at the numbers as really strong players like Drogba, even though lower heading accuracy, are usually better headers of the ball so all this means Ronaldo can hardly be called the best header in history. You should really look at the facts first instead of just coughing up random numbers and conclusions.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
Some nice upgrades for Iniesta and Xavi. Disappointed with Rooney's header upgrade, he deserves a yellow. Loving the fixed overall ratings too.
 

cricket

New Member
How about Nani (manchester united), Bale (spurs),Van Der Vaart(real madrid), and Alou Diarra (france), thank you for sharing!
 

john4

Registered User
messi 95 aggression? that cant be right

why cant that be right? Agrression stat in PES means attacking aggression. how often they get forward and stuff, not aggression like how hard they tackle ect.

nice to see ronaldo is considerably faster than rooney this time, in 09 they had the same speed just about :/
 

Stormrider

Registered User
nice to see ronaldo is considerably faster than rooney this time, in 09 they had the same speed just about :/

When the game 1st released they were but by the time the latest dlc hit Rooney got nerfed to 83-86.

edit: oops just realized you were talking about 09 hehe.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Yeah all those look pretty much like what the players were like 2 years ago. Has anyone from Konami noticed how shit Kaka has been over the past 12 months?

Over the last 3 YEARS would be more accurate, hugely overrated player in my opinion; some people even compare him to Zinedine Zidane...

I agree about the PSD... they do not test what they do, and this shows when you do play-test their rubbish stats.

Xavi Hernandez should have 99 in Dribbling Accuracy and 99 in Technique and like an 85 in dribbling speed, but with a 60 in Acceleration; I have experimented with the stats and I feel that's the better way of creating someone similar to Xavi Hernandez.
 

muscularmatt

Registered User
Kaka is cleary a hugely talented player, and despite having a poor time since he moved to Madrid, is still a world class attacking midfielder. But anyone who would compare him to Zizou is a moron. He's not in the same league as the Frenchman.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
Over the last 3 YEARS would be more accurate, hugely overrated player in my opinion; some people even compare him to Zinedine Zidane...

I agree about the PSD... they do not test what they do, and this shows when you do play-test their rubbish stats.

Xavi Hernandez should have 99 in Dribbling Accuracy and 99 in Technique and like an 85 in dribbling speed, but with a 60 in Acceleration; I have experimented with the stats and I feel that's the better way of creating someone similar to Xavi Hernandez.

That makes Xavi better than Zidane who had something like 97/98 :erm:. Are you 1 of the admins on PSD? :laugh:. For someone who is constantly boasting about their football knowledge I thought you'd have more sense than that.
 

Amateur

Registered User
That makes Xavi better than Zidane who had something like 97/98 :erm:. Are you 1 of the admins on PSD? :laugh:. For someone who is constantly boasting about their football knowledge I thought you'd have more sense than that.

That does not make Xavi better than Zidane, only an imbecile like yourself would draw such a narrow-minded conclusion...

Zidane is a lot faster in terms of acceleration (yes, Zidane could actually accelerate past two defenders whereas Xavi cannot do that) and has a much superior goal-scoring ability and was equally accurate with both feet.

Having 99 in dribbling accuracy and 60 in acceleration -- does not makes you better than a player with 95 in dribbling accuracy and 90 in acceleration.

Zidane had better acceleration and better top speed and better dribbling speed and above all he was a bigger and stronger player who could take care of himself, this affects dribbling in a big way.

Apparently, it is you who lacks the football knowledge and who likes to boast about it. And the way you said, it's just very offensive and childish, as well as a very poor argument.

I suggest you test the stats before making fun of anyone, PSD included; otherwise you might end up making a fool of yourself, which you did... not that anyone cares, I certainly don't give shit.

I have play-tested the stats and I know what Xavi can and cannot do.

Play with someone with 99 in Dribbling Accuracy but with 50 in Acceleration: try to run past defenders and see what happens...
 

RAMAXWY

Registered User
@Stormrider, he's right.
its almost impossible to take the ball of Xavi when he's in possesion but he usually just turns around in midfield to look for open teammates to give a killer pass,so you wont be seeing him make Messi runs with an acceleration of 60 he just doesn't have that burst of speed but you will have a hard time winning the ball which is about right if you ask me.
 

8gerrard8

Registered User
Lmao Konami are clueless on stats. Ronaldo 98 overall header 94 passing in the mid to high 80s, balance 88!? Wtf. He should be no higher than 95/100, and Kaka 95 lmao, more like 85, 90 max. Lol at Kaka's 95 attack, it should be in the mid 80s. Oh and Snjeider 79 overall??? LMAO! Snjeider has been a far better player than Kaka for some time now, look at the world cup for example. He should be in the mid 80s. Oh Messi's stamina lmao the guy has played every game nonstop for Barcelona for the last 2 seasons, he hardly ever needs a rest, his stamina should be in the mid 80s, along with his teamwork and passing. Htf is RONALDO a better team player AND passer than MESSI!? Iniesta's overall is a tad high whereas Pedro's is a tad low. Rooney's PASSING especially long passing is TOO high, Berbatov is a FAR better passer, and his speed is a tad too high now not to mention the ridiculous agility for a fat dude. Agility should be in the 70s. Lol at Xavis heading abilities, the guy NEVER heads the ball and wtf 97 overall? Lmao! He's a great player of course but even 92 is pushing it.

Anyway, my rant is over, OP can you show us Torres, Gerrard, Bale, Poulsen and Chicarito's stats please?
 

Stormrider

Registered User
Apparently, it is you who lacks the football knowledge and who likes to boast about it. And the way you said, it's just very offensive and childish, as well as a very poor argument.

Yeah I'm definitely far more childish than someone who goes around saying "That does not make Xavi better than Zidane, only an imbecile like yourself would draw such a narrow-minded conclusion..." :rolleyes:. You are the biggest hypocrite on these boards and seriously it's time to get off your high horse.

No matter how you wanna look at it, Xavi should never be rated higher or equal to Zidane, Maradona, Pele, Messi, and Ronaldinho in terms of ball control. That's just foolish. He's not even on the same level as Iniesta, which is properly reflected in the game already. Xavi is fantastic in his own right but let's not get carried away. I wonder how many people will disagree with this.

@Stormrider, he's right.
its almost impossible to take the ball of Xavi when he's in possesion but he usually just turns around in midfield to look for open teammates to give a killer pass,so you wont be seeing him make Messi runs with an acceleration of 60 he just doesn't have that burst of speed but you will have a hard time winning the ball which is about right if you ask me.

His stats already make him great in keeping possession and controlling the ball when I use him. Imo it's more of a Pes 2010 engine flaw that doesn't truly reflect small conductors like Xavi and Scholes but I have a hunch he'll play much better in Pes 2011 without giving him the best ball control of all time.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Yeah I'm definitely far more childish than someone who goes around saying "That does not make Xavi better than Zidane, only an imbecile like yourself would draw such a narrow-minded conclusion..." :rolleyes:. You are the biggest hypocrite on these boards and seriously it's time to get off your high horse.

No matter how you wanna look at it, Xavi should never be rated higher or equal to Zidane, Maradona, Pele, Messi, and Ronaldinho in terms of ball control. That's just foolish. He's not even on the same level as Iniesta, which is properly reflected in the game already. Xavi is fantastic in his own right but let's not get carried away. I wonder how many people will disagree with this.



His stats already make him great in keeping possession and controlling the ball when I use him. Imo it's more of a Pes 2010 engine flaw that doesn't truly reflect small conductors like Xavi and Scholes but I have a hunch he'll play much better in Pes 2011 without giving him the best ball control of all time.

You are not in a position to lecture anyone about hypocrisy,

As for the stats, I don't know if you have noticed it, but it is close to impossible to take the ball away from Xavi Hernandez. You mentioned Ronaldinho and Zinedine Zidane, both tricksters, does using tricks makes them better dribblers?

Maradona, Pele, Leo Messi, Zinedine Zidane, Ronadinho; so what, slow players who cannot accelerate past defenders are not as equally gifted dribblers as the players that you mentioned?

Is Andres Iniesta superior to Xavi? Since when? I have seen them play since they started and I have never noticed this superiority that you mentioned... being faster does not automatically makes you better... you would know that if you weren't so narrow-minded and condescending.

Xavi only uses the basics skills, that does not means he is a less gifted dribbler than Zinedine Zidane; he just has a different style and mentality... By the way, comparing Xavi with Scholes is RIDICULOUS... Xavi and Scholes are entirely different players; which again shows your lack of general knowledge regarding Football.

You are looking too much into ONE stat; acceleration, dribbling speed, top speed, agility, balance, technique, all play a part in the dribbling ability of a player.

Xavi has 99 or 95 in dribbling accuracy but with poor acceleration, as simple as that.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
As for the stats, I don't know if you have noticed it, but it is close to impossible to take the ball away from Xavi Hernandez. You mentioned Ronaldinho and Zinedine Zidane, both tricksters, does using tricks makes them better dribblers?

Why the need to bring tricks into the equation? There are other factors in ball retention other than just dribble accuracy alone. Xavi might not have the strength of Zizou or the speed of a prime Dinho but he is blessed with some good agility which makes it all the harder for defenders to stop him. Sure you can say it's close to impossible to take the ball off Xavi but then I'll say it's impossible to take the ball of Zizou or prime Dinho. Close to impossible vs impossible, there's the difference in level for you.

Maradona, Pele, Leo Messi, Zinedine Zidane, Ronadinho; so what, slow players who cannot accelerate past defenders are not as equally gifted dribblers as the players that you mentioned?

I mentioned nothing about speed. Seriously since when was Zizou ever renowned for his speed? These guys are just better with the ball, slow or fast. That's all there is to it.

Is Andres Iniesta superior to Xavi? Since when? I have seen them play since they started and I have never noticed this superiority that you mentioned... being faster does not automatically makes you better... you would know that if you weren't so narrow-minded and condescending.

Trapping wise yes Iniesta is universally accepted as being superior. He is just magic. You can immediately tell when he instantly kills a ball coming in at speed, just like the aforementioned players. Xavi is great at this of course but sometimes he needs an extra touch to control the ball and other times it doesn't land as close to him as you'd like for someone who you deem deserves maxed technique.

Xavi only uses the basics skills, that does not means he is a less gifted dribbler than Zinedine Zidane; he just has a different style and mentality... By the way, comparing Xavi with Scholes is RIDICULOUS... Xavi and Scholes are entirely different players; which again shows your lack of general knowledge regarding Football.

Just because you have trouble reading doesn't mean you have to go stuff words in my mouth. Please tell me when I ever compared Xavi to Scholes in that post? All I meant was in their own ways, they are not properly represented in Pes 2010.

You are looking too much into ONE stat; acceleration, dribbling speed, top speed, agility, balance, technique, all play a part in the dribbling ability of a player.

Xavi has 99 or 95 in dribbling accuracy but with poor acceleration, as simple as that.

Now you're contradicting yourself because you didn't bring agility into the picture and just decided to take the lazy route and max his dribbling. Nothing would've been wrong if you wanted 95 dribbling accuracy. In the latest Pes 2010 dlc Konami actually gave him 95 which makes him great to control but because the game is flawed you'll lose the ball with him much more often than you should and maxing his dribbling won't erase that flaw. Don't know why they nerfed him to 93 according to that pic but it's still a very high stat and imo judging from the gamescon videos it's enough to allow him to keep the ball very well.

So decide already is it 95 or 99? Because in the Pes world that's a huge jump. Just from seeing you say 95 or 99 means from now on there's no need for me to take anything you say seriously anymore.
 
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