Haha if Xavi played in an advanced position he would also take more risks and lose the ball more often. It's just part of the job. The tricks part is pretty funny because it's so irrelevant. Even Cristiano Ronaldo rarely does a trick in that area of the pitch. At least you got the positioning right as Zizou and Dinho can't defend for shit and their aggressive attacking nature means they'll often vacate their role. They are great at beating their man and good at scoring which is why they play further up the field and would be a complete waste as a CM. They are just not suited for the role for reasons other than tricks, just as how Xavi and Pirlo are not suited for AMF for various reasons other than tricks and speed. There was no need to bring this up really as even a 5 year old would understand the risks involved when using Ronaldinho as a CM.
Zizou was definitely not quick in his latter days. In his younger days he was alright but definitely not something to get excited over and has nothing to do with his game at all. Being fast has nothing at all to do with being accurate at dribbling so why keep beating that drum?
Sorry this is not an opinion it is a fact that came from Mr. Seabass himself. There is a very noticeable difference when trapping with a 95 and trapping with Zizou and Maradona. Been common knowledge in the Pes world for many years now.
Barca suffers more because they're missing Xavi's pinpoint passing? vision? tactical awareness? As if his dribbling is what tears up defences
. And yes you were talking about trapping because trapping = technique.
By saying I only focused on one technique in terms of dribbling ability and yet you were the one who only relied on dribbling accuracy and top speed :erm:. At least I understand there's more to ball retention than just dribbling accuracy and speed alone and you don't need to give Xavi max dribbling to effectively represent him dribbling wise as long as the video game has a good engine. And yeah you should give a shit because by me not taking you seriously, you're just wasting your time replying to me.
Thank you someone who actually has a clue without having to boast about their super awesome 'football knowledge'.
Your whole argument is redundant and revolves around false things that you created yourself, allow me to briefly discuss just how REDUNDANT your argument is,
1st REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''At least I understand there's more to ball retention than just dribbling accuracy and speed alone''
When did I ever say or suggested that dribbling and acceleration was everything?
In fact, if you take a look at your argument, you would see that I was the one who actually put in WORDS that you need to take everything into account.
Then you repeated more or less what I initially said... LMAO... So you are arguing against something that you invented yourself as I never said nor suggested such a thing.
You are very biased and condescending and incompetent.
2nd REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''The tricks part is pretty funny because it's so irrelevant.''
Leo Messi and Ronaldinho, both play in advanced positions: one uses pure and simple and time-efficient skills similar to George Best, the other uses razzle dazzle time-consuming BS all the time.
This affects how the team functions and therefore how the team works: TRICKS are important... and there are hours of footage to support this claim as a FACT.
I suppose this is the reason for why Konami decided to put a ''Trickster'' card, for players who are known for their tricks. Maybe, perhaps...
You are entitle to your opinion, just don't go around preaching about your opinion as if it was a FACT.
3rd REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''Being fast has nothing at all to do with being accurate at dribbling so why keep beating that drum?''
Then why mention Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldinho, Diego Maradona, Pele? None of them was a slow player, all of them had very good acceleration and would run past players.
Ronaldinho of all people... his sudden loss of pace affected him in a very big way, the first couple of years after he lost his pace he was loosing a lot of balls and was playing poorly and was ultimately kicked out of Barcelona. He is now finding his feet, but his sudden drop in pace certainly affected his play because it obviously affects dribbling.
For instance, in his prime Ronaldinho was such a great player when running at his top speed and going at players; however, Ronaldinho was never as good as Xavi at pure and simple slow-dribbling.
This is where the Dribbling Accuracy stat proves to be outdated and generic, as speed-dribbling and slow-dribbling are very different skills, yet we do not have a stat for shielding technique do we?
So, poor acceleration with great dribbling ability, in my opinion, is the better way of creating or mimicking individuals like Xavi Hernandez.
As for Zidane,
Zidane was very fast in terms of acceleration but an overall lazy and perfectionist footballer, he could take you on and do the roulette or a step over and he would beat you and accelerate past you, but he only did that like 4 or 6 times per game; you can have 99 in terms of DRIBBLING ACCURACY but if you have an ACCELERATION of 60 you will not dribble like Zidane.
I remind you that YOU were the person who mentioned Zidane: why did you even mentioned Zidane when it added absolutely no weight to your redundant argument? I cannot read whatever is in your mind, I can only read the words, I suggest you write a proper argument the next time you want to debate with anyone.
And Ronaldinho was a very poor choice... he is the prime example of what you are denying.
You seem to contradict yourself in many ways.
4th REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''At least I understand there's more to ball retention than just dribbling accuracy and speed alone''
I never suggested that dribbling accuracy and acceleration was everything... it is not my fault that you formulate your arguments based on things that you imagine as I never said nor suggested what you claim I said or suggested.
On paper, I was the one who initially mentioned that there is more to dribbling... And now you are repeating the same BS and trying to lecture me about something fucking obvious... LMAO
5th REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''Barca suffers more because they're missing Xavi's pinpoint passing? vision? tactical awareness? As if his dribbling is what tears up defences''
Sebastian Veron had vision, yet if you pressured him it was quite easy to force him to loose possession.
On the other hand, Xavi Hernandez can hold on to the ball even when he is surrounded by packs of two or three opponents, he will not loose possession, he is small and has a very exquisite touch on the ball which allows him to create play in very tight spaces; and in doing so, frustrate the opponent, who can only kick him in order to break down the play.
Xavi holds the ball 50% of the time for Barcelona, vision and passing are essential; however, you clearly lack common sense because you cannot see just how great Xavi is on the ball and how important his on-the-ball ability is for both Barcelona and Spain...
If Xavi was faster he would dribble past people on a much more consistent basis, but speed and acceleration is something you are born with.
6th REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''And yes you were talking about trapping because trapping = technique.''
No, I never mentioned the word ''trapping'', I suggest you learn how to read: I said DRIBBLING ACCURACY and ACCELERATION.
You were the one who brought Iniesta into the argument and talked about his trapping aka technique... And now you are saying that I brought it up... LMAO
You are imagining things again.
7th REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''Sorry this is not an opinion it is a fact that came from Mr. Seabass himself. There is a very noticeable difference when trapping with a 95 and trapping with Zizou and Maradona. Been common knowledge in the Pes world for many years now.''
Mr. Seabass also said that PES10 would be an awesome game... that wasn't true was it?
95 to 99, I do not care about whatever Seabass said; I certainly do not see nor feel any big difference between 95 and 99, even more so when the acceleration of the individual in question is of 60.
Perhaps you were not aware of it, but it is a very well known fact that the ''player individuality'' in PES is not very good anymore... players with 80 doing incredible things, Theo Walcot consistently sending defense splitting passes even though his passing stats are shit; been common knowledge in the PES world since PES made the jump (?) to next-gen consoles (now current-gen consoles).
Perhaps you still play PES5 or PES6?
You could actually tell the difference between 95 and 99; however, PES08, PES09, PES10, there is barely any difference at all between 95 and 99; it's more or less the same identical thing.
Yet another one of your so-called ''facts'' that in FACT is not a fact. You really think a lot about yourself and your opinion.
8th REDUNDANT point:
Stormrider: ''And yeah you should give a shit because by me not taking you seriously, you're just wasting your time replying to me.''
Yeah because I was the person who created a debate out of thin air? I was the person who initially responded to a comment that was not directed at anyone in particular?
I was merely sharing my opinion of how (in my opinion) Xavi Hernandez should be rated in PES 2010: 99 or 95 dribble accuracy, with 60 in acceleration.
I was not creating any type of debate, just sharing my opinion; it was YOU who responded to me... I am merely responding to the person who initially responded to my words.
Here is what I initially stated:
''Xavi Hernandez should have 99 in Dribbling Accuracy and 99 in Technique and like an 85 in dribbling speed, but with a 60 in Acceleration; I have experimented with the stats and I feel that's the better way of creating someone similar to Xavi Hernandez.''
Here is YOUR responce to my well intended non-boasting comment:
''That makes Xavi better than Zidane who had something like 97/98 . Are you 1 of the admins on PSD? . For someone who is constantly boasting about their football knowledge I thought you'd have more sense than that.''
That makes Xavi better than Zidane... your words, not mine. And then you say that: ''At least I understand there's more to ball retention than just dribbling accuracy and speed alone''
You seem to contradict yourself in many ways, which makes your argument entirely redundant... to say the least. This can happen when people argue with the intent that you argued.
Anyways,
This is the last time I waste my time with such a disgusting writer, there's no point in communicating with someone as condescending and as biased as you. Your argument is redundant and you fail to see why I find it so redundant.
