Patch 1.0.2 first impressions thread!
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Tech_Skill
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they are not on it over there mate....
Nah, Baban Boy has worked it out I think.
Can you leave a final message saying to Baban Boy, That IF this is an issue.
Patch 1.0.2 Potentially has the issue to make this worse, because players cost MORE, yet the income for winning games, sponsorship etc seems to be the SAME. (If we see evidence to the contrary, not a problem)
If this is the case, signing one player without selling others, whilst being at a club like Real Madrid would be pointless, seeing as it would take you even further into debt.
There are members who have reported having to constantly sell players to stay alive in Master League when using certain teams, Personally, I highly doubt its realistic that you should take over a top club like Real Madrid/Barcelona ETC and immediately be forced to sell good players straight away to make ends meet, if this is an issue, it the likely result of some kind of miscalculation, which means as long as you dont sell or buy any players, your income is likely to be less than than your expenditure, add onto that the situation caused by Patch 1.0.2, which unless were wrong, seems to mean the income is the SAME, but players cost more.
We are not saying this is the gospel truth, we are simply very concerned.
A fix has been mentioned by some to unlock the master leagues fund option for your team, if that is the ONLY solution to this issue, it looks like this is something Konami should look at.
We will continue the discussion at Pesgaming, thanks for your time.
Didn't have much time to play the new patch yesterday, had about 6 games today and the scripting bollocks seems to have been toned down a bit, this is going only after 6 games though, although now I'm really having trouble scoring more than 1 goal a game. Before the patch I could score quite a few although the CPU would usually score a free kick or from a corner at some point during the game.
But my scoring has gone right right down, I have had a few 1-0 wins, but it seems if the CPU score first the best I can hope for is a 1-1 draw.
This might be just me and I need a good session of games to get back to my scoring best.
But my scoring has gone right right down, I have had a few 1-0 wins, but it seems if the CPU score first the best I can hope for is a 1-1 draw.
This might be just me and I need a good session of games to get back to my scoring best.
Let's look at it this way: I think we can all agree that Arsenal is a very well-run football club. Granted Arsenal do have a substantial debt, however this is not an unsustainable one at all since it is from the money they borrowed to pay for the Emirates and is one they are gradually paying off season by season. Of course there are many reasons one can argue why Arsenal are a well-run football club but one of them, no doubt, is Arsenal's salary cap. Their salary cap is based on how much money the club brings in, Arsene Wenger will never advocate his club ever spending more than they make. I'm sure that we will see in the long-run as badly run teams' problems finally catch up to them, Arsenal will remain as they are and remain unaffected by any new procedures that may be introduced to force clubs to make better decisions.
Having said that, why can't we apply that philosophy to this game? Why can't we impose our own salary cap based on how much money we are expected to make during the season, without taking into account possible tournament wins? That is a sustainable club because then you know that even if you don't win a single trophy then at least everyone will be paid off and the club's finances remain positive. However any bonuses from winning tournaments or finishing high in them can be used to buy new players, and because of the patch you are forced to spend wisely as you would be in real life.
We're basically forced to run our club properly and are punished for not doing so. Just because it's a game doesn't mean we should have more money than we know what to do with. You have to live within the budget. If you feel you're going to be bankrupt very soon then some players have to go, simple as that, you should have seen it coming long ago and run your club better. Or if you simply have to have certain players and want them for a while then go to Edit mode and make your dream team and start ML again. There's also the possibility of acquiring extra start-up funds in the 'Extra Content' section.
All-in-all people I'd say stop complaining and just live with it. One poster got it spot on, no one has even finished half a season since the patch was released so how can you say for sure this is a genuine problem? As I said before, the expected earnings don't take into account money you would gain from the league and winning tournaments so let's hear from someone who actually finishes a season before we jump to conclusions.
Having said that, why can't we apply that philosophy to this game? Why can't we impose our own salary cap based on how much money we are expected to make during the season, without taking into account possible tournament wins? That is a sustainable club because then you know that even if you don't win a single trophy then at least everyone will be paid off and the club's finances remain positive. However any bonuses from winning tournaments or finishing high in them can be used to buy new players, and because of the patch you are forced to spend wisely as you would be in real life.
We're basically forced to run our club properly and are punished for not doing so. Just because it's a game doesn't mean we should have more money than we know what to do with. You have to live within the budget. If you feel you're going to be bankrupt very soon then some players have to go, simple as that, you should have seen it coming long ago and run your club better. Or if you simply have to have certain players and want them for a while then go to Edit mode and make your dream team and start ML again. There's also the possibility of acquiring extra start-up funds in the 'Extra Content' section.
All-in-all people I'd say stop complaining and just live with it. One poster got it spot on, no one has even finished half a season since the patch was released so how can you say for sure this is a genuine problem? As I said before, the expected earnings don't take into account money you would gain from the league and winning tournaments so let's hear from someone who actually finishes a season before we jump to conclusions.
Tech_Skill
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More news on this rediculous patch which seems like Konami havent thought about before releasing.
1) Someone on pesfan made a very good point (i know its unbelievable, someone on pesfan with a brain). If the current system where you LOSE money everyear of you dont buy/sell players because the income from winning trophies cannot match player salaries and expenditure if you are a club like Real Madrid...... Is realistic......
How the fuck is it 'realistic' to have a system where if you go in debt its game over. thats not realistic, plenty of big clubs have debts and they spend even more money. That alone tells you Konami may have fucked up on the finance calculations, rather than this being some elabourate plan of realism.
2) Someone said they bidded for Heskey and the club asked for 59 million? Who wants to argue that is realistic? So cost of signing Emile Heskey can = Real Madrid's entire income for that whole fucking year? Is that right or am i missing something?
3) I sent a PM to amateur to see what he thinks about this whole thing, maybe he can make sense of it.
1) Someone on pesfan made a very good point (i know its unbelievable, someone on pesfan with a brain). If the current system where you LOSE money everyear of you dont buy/sell players because the income from winning trophies cannot match player salaries and expenditure if you are a club like Real Madrid...... Is realistic......
How the fuck is it 'realistic' to have a system where if you go in debt its game over. thats not realistic, plenty of big clubs have debts and they spend even more money. That alone tells you Konami may have fucked up on the finance calculations, rather than this being some elabourate plan of realism.
2) Someone said they bidded for Heskey and the club asked for 59 million? Who wants to argue that is realistic? So cost of signing Emile Heskey can = Real Madrid's entire income for that whole fucking year? Is that right or am i missing something?
3) I sent a PM to amateur to see what he thinks about this whole thing, maybe he can make sense of it.
It's not game over if you go in debt. You carry on as normal but just lose the option of buying and selling players yourself until your figures are positive again, and the game will do this for you whether you like it or not to get the club sustainable again (much like how it would work in real life if your club went into administration). The debt thing just gets saved in your ML file that you went bankrupt and it counts how many times you do, that's it, no game over mate.
Is James Milner worth £26 million? Is Yaya Toure worth £28 million? Or Zlatan Ibrahimovich close to £60 million? What about Cristiano Ronaldo at £80 million?!
It's realistic in the sense that clubs will put ludicrous asking prices on their players and it will be up to you to haggle your way down to a price you think is realistic. If they don't like your price they can go fuck themselves (just like in real life) because you won't pay more for a player than you think he's worth. But there are some who will pay inflated prices for players simply because they have seemingly unlimited resources, and we all know that's not sustainable in the long-run.
Tech_Skill
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Ahh, cool.
Mate, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Do you believe its realistic for the cost of Emile Heskey to = Real Madrid's income for an entire year?
Fucks sake
Mate, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Do you believe its realistic for the cost of Emile Heskey to = Real Madrid's income for an entire year?
Fucks sake
It's an asking price, it doesn't mean you HAVE to pay it. I'm sure you could bring that down to between 10-20 million and the club would accept it because it's still an inflated price. Plus you're basing your logic on a completely absurd context. Once you see these things for yourself then start complaining, otherwise stop speaking to everyone who doesn't agree with you in the manner of a child and man up.
Tech_Skill
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Look, you sound like an apologist, If your happy with the game, f- off and go play the game and dont tell me what I should and shouldnt complain about.
The Emile Heskey for 59 million thing is just not realistic, its not a realistic asking price, and it's not realistic given your yearly incoming.
In real life did Man U ask real Madrid for 350 million for C. Ronaldo?? NO
So why would any club ask for your entire yearly income for Emile Heskey??
lets say you bring the price down by 20 million like you said, so Heskey costs 39 million, thats still ridiculous and thats still at least 3/4 of your entire income for the whole year, infact if you dont win enough games, that is pretty much your income.
Are you sure this is Konami's big vision re: finances?
Well according to some a club asking 59 million for heskey is totally realistic..............
Stormrider
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Master League sucks. So many versions and they still can't iron out the little things like this.
Tech, I tried for Heskey and it wasn't even near that value, so seems you've been lied to pal.
Just started a ML with Cardiff in Championship and they have the same situation as the Madrids and Uniteds. Start with 60 odd mill, pay 36 straight away, so it's a similar situation. Gonna try it and see how I fair after a few seasons, hope it picks up.
Just started a ML with Cardiff in Championship and they have the same situation as the Madrids and Uniteds. Start with 60 odd mill, pay 36 straight away, so it's a similar situation. Gonna try it and see how I fair after a few seasons, hope it picks up.
This is really really weird, I STILL can't score more than 1 goal a game, but the daft thing is I will more often than not score at some point in the match whether it's against Aston Villa or Arsenal. I scored in the 2nd minute against Fulham and battered them for the rest of the game, but never got that 2nd goal.
I have played about 15 games now and only 2 of those I failed to score, beating Man Utd 1-0 away then only beating Wolves 1-0 at home in my next match.
It's like the AI is saying "You can score 1 but that's it" I hope this isn't new scripting bollocks because I haven't seen much of the usual crap since this patch and I thought I might not need Komu's patch.
I hope it's just a case of my team is still relatively poor but it looks like I'm on the lookout for a good CF at the end of the season.
I have played about 15 games now and only 2 of those I failed to score, beating Man Utd 1-0 away then only beating Wolves 1-0 at home in my next match.
It's like the AI is saying "You can score 1 but that's it" I hope this isn't new scripting bollocks because I haven't seen much of the usual crap since this patch and I thought I might not need Komu's patch.
I hope it's just a case of my team is still relatively poor but it looks like I'm on the lookout for a good CF at the end of the season.
Tech_Skill
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Who knows, all i know is, if it did happen, its not realistic to me.
Let us know what goes down.
dan80
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Look, you sound like an apologist, If your happy with the game, f- off and go play the game and dont tell me what I should and shouldnt complain about.
The Emile Heskey for 59 million thing is just not realistic, its not a realistic asking price, and it's not realistic given your yearly incoming.
In real life did Man U ask real Madrid for 350 million for C. Ronaldo?? NO
So why would any club ask for your entire yearly income for Emile Heskey??
lets say you bring the price down by 20 million like you said, so Heskey costs 39 million, thats still ridiculous and thats still at least 3/4 of your entire income for the whole year, infact if you dont win enough games, that is pretty much your income.
Are you sure this is Konami's big vision re: finances?
Well according to some a club asking 59 million for heskey is totally realistic..............
Yeah i guess he is, hes usually one of the top scorers in a league season with over 10 goals and in real life he can just about manage 5 goals a season konami must be confused with someone else lol
iamcanadianeh
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Also, I could be wrong but I believe the difficulty level you're playing on affects your money, i.e. you get more if you're on Top Player. I seem to have noticed this, or am I wrong?
S-D-P
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I personally love the new transfer system, you have to be clever with who you sell and who you buy not had a problem so far. I think there needs to be more balance, at the the moment transfers are either to high or low. I enjoy the challenge of turning a team into a financial powerhouse and you can do this with pes. You have to put much more thought into building your squad this way imo. Still early days though only past one transfer window here is who I bought and sold.
TEAM - FC Rubin Kazan
Out - Martins(24m) Bystrov(2m)
In - Suchy(5m) Bolatti(6m) Sulejmani(2m loan price)
TEAM - FC Rubin Kazan
Out - Martins(24m) Bystrov(2m)
In - Suchy(5m) Bolatti(6m) Sulejmani(2m loan price)
iamcanadianeh
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Mate, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Do you believe its realistic for the cost of Emile Heskey to = Real Madrid's income for an entire year?
Fucks sake
I think it's a valid point he made. On the other hand, I'll go out on a limb here and mention the fact that this is a videogame. It's not real. So, for example this question of 59 million isn't decided by real people, it's decided by a code, a calculation, and ultimately that code is responsible for all transactions. Is it so shocking and appalling that this calculation might, under some circumstances, come up with an unrealistic figure? If something like that happening bothers you so much to the point of tears and tantrums, I suggest you find a new hobby, something maybe more serious than a videogame.
Tech_Skill
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You can do one. your another ''lay down and die... fuck me in the ass and take my money'' PES apologist'.
The kind who yaps on about ''this bit of the games makes it more realistic, i like it'' and then when someone points out an issue with the game it's ''what do you expect realism for? It's a game''.
There is potentially an issue here, an issue which seems that it could be the result of a financial miscalculation and people are talking about it because they dont like it and because it might need fixing, you don't like it, you run along and play the damn game or hop over to WENB so you can yap about how smooth the game feels after the new patch.