Patch 1.0.2 first impressions thread!

[u1tradt]

Look, you sound like an apologist, If your happy with the game, f- off and go play the game and dont tell me what I should and shouldnt complain about.

I do like the game, which is exactly why I'm on here - to discuss the game I enjoy playing. What I don't intend to do while I'm here is insult others for having an opinion, I like having a bit of a debate with someone and will always admit when I am wrong, but what I don't ever do is count someone's opinion as invalid simply because it goes against my opinions.

I'll tell you whatever I feel like just like you're telling me to fuck off right now; everyone's entitled to their opinion. If you're going to speak to me like a child then I will treat you like a child. I started off talking to you with a measure of respect but you can fuck yourself now; you don't deserve to be talked to with any degree of respect. Now stop complaining you foolish child, stop playing the game if you're this unhappy with it, I don't care what you have to say about the matter. Your complaining will get you nowhere because it has no genuine basis, it's all down to your assumptions and premeditations but you haven't actually tested your argument for yourself to know whether this problem exists in the first place.

The Emile Heskey for 59 million thing is just not realistic, its not a realistic asking price, and it's not realistic given your yearly incoming.

Of course the price itself is not realistic, I never claimed that. But it's definitely realistic in that clubs WILL ask crazy prices for players. What part of that don't you understand? Does it have to be explained in more detail for your tiny mind? Are you so stupid you can't comprehend that?

In real life did Man U ask real Madrid for 350 million for C. Ronaldo?? NO

They probably asked for something close to the region of £200 million and finally came to an agreement of 80 mil, but who knows? Either way £80 million is a ridiculous price to pay for anyone.

lets say you bring the price down by 20 million like you said, so Heskey costs 39 million, thats still ridiculous and thats still at least 3/4 of your entire income for the whole year, infact if you dont win enough games, that is pretty much your income.

When did I say bring the price down by 20 million? You idiot. I said bring the price down TO around 10-20 million, and I mentioned that that is still an inflated price but the fact of the matter is that British players generally are overpriced in real life. That is a fact.

Next time take the time to read someone's post properly and listen to what they're saying before you go into a hissy-fit because someone disagreed with you.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I do like the game, which is exactly why I'm on here - to discuss the game I enjoy playing. What I don't intend to do while I'm here is insult others for having an opinion, I like having a bit of a debate with someone and will always admit when I am wrong, but what I don't ever do is count someone's opinion as invalid simply because it goes against my opinions.

Try having an opinion that makes sense and dont tell other people to ignore/brush over potential issues in the game cos you are an apologist who would eat shit off a dinner plate with a knife and fork if seabass was the waiter who served it to you.

They probably asked for something close to the region of £200 million and finally came to an agreement of 80 mil.

How the fuck do you know, this, are you Alex Ferguson, shut up you clown.

When did I say bring the price down by 20 million? You idiot. I said bring the price down TO around 10-20 million,

It's an asking price, it doesn't mean you HAVE to pay it. I'm sure you could bring that down to between 10-20 million and the club would accept it because it's still an inflated price.

Edit: Actually I did misread that, so you can have that one. But i dont see the point of Madrid being asked for 59 million for heskey and then accept 10 million, its still not right, fifa have this aspect nailed on, asking 59 million for heskey is crazy because thats probably more than Madrid ENTIRE Yearly income in the game.

To make it clear, its the equivalent of Real Madrid asking for Heskey and Villa saying "We'll sell him to you for 300 million".....that aint right in my book.

 

[u1tradt]

Try having an opinion that makes sense and dont tell other people to ignore/brush over potential issues in the game cos you are an apologist who would eat shit off a dinner plate with a knife and fork if seabass was the waiter who served it to you.

Right, my opinion is the one that doesn't make sense. It must be me who is complaining about an issue I haven't properly put to the test myself. It must be me having a bitch-fit over a problem I am not 100% certain even exists.

Get over yourself.

How the fuck do you know, this, are you Alex Ferguson, shut up you clown.

When did I claim that to be true? Stop quoting out of context, do you even read everything I say? I specifically said right after that 'who knows' as in I was taking a wild guess, I'm not 100% certain, but you don't see me waving it around as the word of the law around here just because I assumed it now do you?

You said it here you loon

Originally Posted by u1tradt:
It's an asking price, it doesn't mean you HAVE to pay it. I'm sure you could bring that down to between 10-20 million and the club would accept it because it's still an inflated price.

Guess what....take away 10 million from 59 millon, you get 49 milion

Take away 20 million from 59 million you get 39 million.

So that means, even if you lower the fucking price by 20 million the cost of Emile heskey STILL = 3/4 or more of real madrid's entire income for an entire year, that is NOT realistic.

:facepalm: You're an even bigger idiot than I thought, honestly. Slow down and come out of your little toddler rage and read your quote very carefully. What a doughnut this guy is.

YES clubs ask for crazy prices, but we are talking about a club ask for YOUR ENTIRE YEARLY INCOME...........for HESKEY, not even a top player, the point im making is, according to what was said on Pesfan, buying Heskey or another player, could cost the equivalent of your entire income for a year, that doesn't seem right.

How do you know this?! Have you played a full season since the patch?! Have you tried to buy Heskey on ML?!! Shut up you clown you don't know that's their yearly income!

This is fun.



EDIT:

It's like the AI is saying "You can score 1 but that's it" I hope this isn't new scripting bollocks because I haven't seen much of the usual crap since this patch and I thought I might not need Komu's patch.

I had experienced this for a while also. What I put it down to was the 'Management Edit' options before a game. Because of the automatic strategies set in that section, as soon as you are leading by 1 goal the defensive strategies will come into effect; essentially your team will sit back after that. I deleted all the automatic strategies in management edit and set them myself in 'Team Strategy' so that if I lead by a goal, I decide in-game if the team carries on playing in the same style or in the tight games I may choose to sit back after 1 goal. It worked for me so it might open up the game for you.

 

[Tech_Skill]

How do you know this?! Have you played a full season since the patch?! Have you tried to buy Heskey on ML?!! Shut up you clown you don't know that's their yearly income!

This is fun.

:lmao:

I dont know Real Madrid's yearly income??

I go into expected Earnings and that tells you what the basic fucking income is going to be no?

There is the bit in expected earning.....its called INCOME.

Example: FC Barcelona: New ML started since the patch.

Current Funds 78 Million (after paying wages and fees for season 1)

Expected earnings income =

Annual Sponsorship 25 million
Fan club income 15 million
Match Day Rev 16 million
Merchandise 5 million
Comp Prize Money 300k

This should mean base yearly income is about 60 million? (yes you may get a little more if you win a few cups and get a few bonuses)

Point one. Add the 78 million current funds to the 60 million income and you get 138 million in current funds for next season at least right?

After the 100 million you then pay in wages and fees for that season you have 38 million left right?

If that's right, you have lost a shit load of cash without buying or selling.

Second point, If you were to sign a player for 59 Million, wouldn't that take up most of your yearly income in one swipe? Since the income is about 60 million base as shown above.

Do you think its realistic for the cost of one player to wipe out a club like Barcelona/Real Madrid's entire yearly income?

 

[u1tradt]

:lmao:

I dont know Real Madrid's yearly income??

I go into expected Earnings and that tells you what the basic fucking income is going to be no?

There is the bit in expected earning.....its called INCOME.

Your argument is so boring now, seriously. You're arguing just for the sake of being right and going back to things I already attempted to clarify earlier. You didn't even elaborate on your little mistake (among others) about mis-quoting me regarding Heskey's price possibly coming down. Which shows you really are only concerned about being right here.

Your dumb mind didn't pick up on the sarcasm (I was mocking your little rant at me) but just for you, kiddo, I will elaborate on my sarcastic comment. You know their expected earnings by looking at that specific section, but as I commented earlier in the thread that section only lists your guaranteed earnings (the bare minimum) i.e. what you would stand to make if you were to lose every game until the end of the season. So, no, you don't actually know for sure their full yearly income unless you were planning to lose every game in your season just so your team makes the bare minimum and nothing more. This is because with a team like Real Madrid or Barcelona, I don't know about you, but I would want to try and sweep the honours every season because they have the squad capable of doing that right from the get-go.

Now apply that logic to your comment about not having enough money for players. Yes, if you were to not win a single trophy in your season and lose most of your games then it would be hard to sign players because you haven't made enough money, is that unrealistic? As I already said in this thread for a club with Madrid and Barca's salaries to be sustainable in the long-run, they need to consistently achieve success so you can rake in as much money from tournaments and sponsors as possible to pay for all those expensive guys, and maybe a couple of additions every now and again. Tell me that's not realistic and throw away what little credibility you have left in this drawn-out debate.

 

[sktaxi]

Can you guys tell why my game didn't update yet?

 

[Tech_Skill]

I will elaborate on my sarcastic comment. You know their expected earnings by looking at that specific section, but as I commented earlier in the thread that section only lists your guaranteed earnings (the bare minimum) i.e. what you would stand to make if you were to lose every game until the end of the season. So, no, you don't actually know for sure their full yearly income unless you were planning to lose every game in your season just so your team makes the bare minimum and nothing more.

Duh fucktard, thats why I said

(yes you may get a little more if you win a few cups and get a few bonuses)

But the whole fucking point that people have been discussing is even if you win everything, there is still the possible likelyhood that the situation will not change, because the patch increases transfer values, iv'e yet to see any proof it increases income, thats why other posters, (not the konami dick sucking ones like yourself) have been saying things like this....

Unfortunately, bonuses for winning games aren't a lot (even if you count the bonuses you get for winning at home, getting into the last 16 in the Champions League, or winning the League cup, or merchandise sales). They probably amount to less than £25-30 million in total.

Sponsorship deals, I've found, is somehow capped to £30-33 million, even when you are on an annual winning streak. This doesn't make sense at all: Wouldn't more and more companies want to sponsor your team for an increasing amount of money if your team has won a treble every year for the last 3 years?

So match bonuses, plus sponsorship deals amount to something around £60 million, and that's already a rather generous calculation. Now, let's look at expenditures: Fan clubs, coaches, doctors, scouts, plus team salary. When you are playing as a top team, you'll probably go in the red already, because you probably end up shelling out £100 million annually without buying additional players. Compare your maximum annual earnings of around £60 million, assuming you've won everything. You'd lose £40 million annually.

Its the same problem with previous version of PES. I won everything in every season, eventually my players got lots of individual awards which make my players' market value rises. The salaries became madness. I didn't even have the chance to buy a new player. Every season, I have to sell at least one player in order not to get bankrupt.

Thought it was my problem. Of course it is stupid to clubs like real madrid and barcelone need to sell their stars.

Also it is even more stupid after a season where i won everything (CL, League, cup, super cup). With that i made a lot of money, even so i wasn't able to pay my salaries. Even with real madrid.

Yeap ML is a mess. I'm losing 60M on my 1st season, 80M on 2nd season, and it keep increasing. I didn't buy players at all. Finally I used maximum fund option and start over in ML..

Now apply that logic to your comment about not having enough money for players. Yes, if you were to not win a single trophy in your season and lose most of your games then it would be hard to sign players because you haven't made enough money, is that unrealistic? As I already said in this thread for a club with Madrid and Barca's salaries to be sustainable in the long-run, they need to consistently achieve success so you can rake in as much money from tournaments and sponsors as possible to pay for all those expensive guys, and maybe a couple of additions every now and again. Tell me that's not realistic and throw away what little credibility you have left in this drawn-out debate.

In the last 5 years Real Madrid have won the league twice I believe and won the champions League 0 times, they have SERIOUSLY underachieved.

Are real madrid in a position where they have to sell their best players to survive?

Are Real Madrid in a situation where buying one player will cost them nearly their entire guaranteed seasons income?....The question around a single transfer costing as much as a club like real madrid can earn in pes over a whole year is one you refuse to answer.

What obviously going on here is that a miscalculation may have been made regarding income vs expenditure as this clever fuck managed to work out.

Your missing the point entirely, Konami quite clearly neglected to alter the monetary awards for winning, sponsorship, etc as it was pre-patch it worked (albeit with the actual values being stupid) but it was balanced.

Post patch you cannot sustain a team, especially a winning team due to the ludicrous wage demands of players who win things and new blood you bring in, yes you can in theory make it work by basically managing in the style of West Ham and selling everyone and ending up with total crap but really are you suggesting Konami intended that?

This what is being discussed.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Techskill^ That arguement doesn't make sense. Yes, player prices (bought or sold) could result in a team going in the hole, but you have to have a brain about the purchases you make. Sure, I could do poorly in the league and then buy Hesky for an outrageous price and not sell anyone to compensate, then be in Financial trouble. But is that such a hugely unrealistic scenario?

Think of it this way, Konami make the assumption that as a person playing ML you actually want to build a team, you don't just want success handed to you. How much fun would it be if you chose Real Madrid and were given huge almost unlimited funds so that you could do nothing wrong? It wouldn't be a game then, and if you want that you might as well just create your team in edit mode. On the other hand, if you make good decisions with your team (Madrid or other), in time you can achieve the financial stability to be able to pull off big transfers and also not have to sell anyone you don't want to. That might take some frugal decisions and more than three years of ML to achieve though, plus some success. Anyway, that's the point of ML, always has been, so if you don't like it maybe just suggest a fantasy mode, cause the whole point of ML is to build a team. That shouldn't be easy (i.e. even if you start with Real you shouldn't have a financially stable Glacticos side who can do no wrong in the market after 3 seasons), it should represent a real challenge.

 

[u1tradt]

Duh fucktard, thats why I said

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill View Post
(yes you may get a little more if you win a few cups and get a few bonuses)

But the whole fucking point that people have been discussing is even if you win everything, there is still the possible likelyhood that the situation will not change, because the patch increases transfer values, iv'e yet to see any proof it increases income, thats why other posters, (not the konami dick sucking ones like yourself) have been saying things like this....

Now first of all you don't get 'a little more' for winning cups etc. Last season in my ML campaign I won the treble with relative ease I must say (not trying to brag). This is what I remember earning. Just for finishing top in the league I got I think £16 million and I'm sure second place gets around 2 million less than this. The expected earnings section doesn't calculate this bonus if you haven't noticed yet. For winning the national cup you are likely to receive a combined total of around 7-8 million, taking into account bonuses for quarter final and semi final wins and of course playing in the final and money for winning the cup. Then you have the vast amounts of money you could win from winning the Champions League (there's probably a good £20 million you could get in total for winning it) and the doors winning it opens for you. You then have to play the winners of the Europa League and the Copa Libertadores the following season, receiving £3 million for winning each match. And we haven't even gone into better sponsors coming in, money from the fan club and merchandise sales growing year by year. Is that a 'little more' money? Silly kid.

Secondly the point people have been discussing, :sigh: again, is something people haven't seen for themselves to know whether this is an actual problem. Only one guy claims to have had this problem and that was before the patch, and considering how cheap players were before the patch he done a pretty bad job of managing his team salary and overall his finances.

Also if you look at your other thread S-D-P explains that he's just finished one season in ML and says he experienced no problems whatsoever with his budget. Now who am I more inclined to believe: a guy who hasn't even attempted to complete one season before complaining about a problem, or one who has completed a season and reports no problems with his budget?

In the last 5 years Real Madrid have won the league twice I believe and won the champions League 0 times, they have SERIOUSLY underachieved.

Are real madrid in a position where they have to sell their best players to survive?

Are Real Madrid in a situation where buying one player will cost them nearly their entire guaranteed seasons income?....The question around a single transfer costing as much as a club like real madrid can earn in pes over a whole year is one you refuse to answer.

What obviously going on here is that a miscalculation may have been made regarding income vs expenditure as this clever fuck managed to work out.

This what is being discussed.

Real Madrid almost went bankrupt until Florentino Perez came in and bailed them out thanks to his political contacts outside of football. Unfortunately this game isn't so realistic that there is the option to have Spanish banks or governments bail you out when you haven't run your club properly. On top of that there is no revenue for TV rights in this game so you won't be getting a few hundred million Euros for rights to your games for 4 years just because you're Real Madrid and Barcelona.

I even remember the season after David Beckham left Madrid, half way through that season they had to take out an £80 million loan to help manage day-today costs as it was getting too much. This was because Beckham brought vast amounts of money to the club through sponsorships and endorsements due to his worldwide status and appeal. Which is also why LA Galaxy gave him a contract where he makes close to $1 million per week (taking into account salary, sponsorships and endorsements).

This is what you should try to be understanding. There are reasons why Real Madrid get away with what they do, this game isn't going to incorporate all that for the sake of one whiny fan-boy who doesn't even know whether what he's complaining about even exists in the first place.

EDIT: One more thing, teams asking ludicrous prices for their players is realistic for one reason I will mention. Just look at Manchester City's transfer dealings over the past 2 seasons. Clubs put crazy prices when City are involved because they know City have too much money in the first place so the aim is to get as much money as possible, it doesn't matter if it's a fair price. Now in ML it's the same concept, the more successful you are the higher prices clubs will be asking from you because they will assume with your success you have a lot of money to spend on players also.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Techskill^ That arguement doesn't make sense. Yes, player prices (bought or sold) could result in a team going in the hole, but you have to have a brain about the purchases you make.

Im gonna have to stop you here.....

Listen.

Yeap ML is a mess. I'm losing 60M on my 1st season, 80M on 2nd season, and it keep increasing. I didn't buy players at all. Finally I used maximum fund option and start over in ML..

Can you see the point im making, if you start as Barcelona and you DONT BUY anyone, you still are potentially still in trouble.

Thats why I said to this to that girl a few posts ago.

Example: FC Barcelona: New ML started since the patch.

Current Funds 78 Million (after paying wages and fees for season 1)

Expected earnings income =

Annual Sponsorship 25 million
Fan club income 15 million
Match Day Rev 16 million
Merchandise 5 million
Comp Prize Money 300k

This should mean base yearly income is about 60 million? (yes you may get a little more if you win a few cups and get a few bonuses)

Point one. Add the 78 million current funds to the 60 million income and you get 138 million in current funds for next season at least right?

After the 100 million you then pay in wages and fees for that season you have 38 million left right?


How much money would you need from winning EVERY trophy to break even? I think the number would be a large one, I havent done the proper calcluations yet, a rough guess is about 40 million. If so, do you get 40 million extra income from winning every trophy?

 

[Bite.Me]

So, half the advertised improvements didn't get in this version....

Interesting!

 

[Tech_Skill]

Now first of all you don't get 'a little more' for winning cups etc. Last season in my ML campaign I won the treble with relative ease I must say (not trying to brag). This is what I remember earning. Just for finishing top in the league I got I think £16 million and I'm sure second place gets around 2 million less than this. The expected earnings section doesn't calculate this bonus if you haven't noticed yet. For winning the national cup you are likely to receive a combined total of around 7-8 million, taking into account bonuses for quarter final and semi final wins and of course playing in the final and money for winning the cup. Then you have the vast amounts of money you could win from winning the Champions League (there's probably a good £20 million you could get in total for winning it) and the doors winning it opens for you. You then have to play the winners of the Europa League and the Copa Libertadores the following season, receiving £3 million for winning each match. And we haven't even gone into better sponsors coming in, money from the fan club and merchandise sales growing year by year. Is that a 'little more' money? Silly kid.

Secondly the point people have been discussing, :sigh: again, is something people haven't seen for themselves to know whether this is an actual problem. Only one guy claims to have had this problem and that was before the patch, and considering how cheap players were before the patch he done a pretty bad job of managing his team salary and overall his finances.

Also if you look at your other thread S-D-P explains that he's just finished one season in ML and says he experienced no problems whatsoever with his budget. Now who am I more inclined to believe: a guy who hasn't even attempted to complete one season before complaining about a problem, or one who has completed a season and reports no problems with his budget?

Sorry to stop you mid-flow whilst you was having your man crush about s-d-p, do me a favor, stop thinking about him and take your finger out your ass for second...... Have you actually fucking read what this poster has said, or he is not your type so all of sudden it doesn't count. :laugh:

Its the same problem with previous version of PES. I won everything in every season, eventually my players got lots of individual awards which make my players' market value rises. The salaries became madness. I didn't even have the chance to buy a new player. Every season, I have to sell at least one player in order not to get bankrupt.

Yeap ML is a mess. I'm losing 60M on my 1st season, 80M on 2nd season, and it keep increasing. I didn't buy players at all. Finally I used maximum fund option and start over in ML..

Ermmm seems like this guy had a fucking issue with it, it even seems he BOUGHT NO PLAYERS and he still had an issue, it also seems he won everything in a season like you.. and he still had the issue. So unless he is wrong, or he has worded it wrong, a discussion will be had about this.

Also, Im going to ask you this question for the FIFTH TIME now.

Do you think its realistic for the cost of one player to = The entire annual income if you are a club such as Real Madrid?

 

[u1tradt]

Sorry to stop you mid-flow whilst you was having your man crush about s-d-p, do me a favor, stop thinking about him and take your finger out ass for second...... Have you actually fucking read what this poster has said, or he is not your type so all of sudden it doesn't count. :laugh:

You make me laugh, you really do. From everything I said there you pick out my comment on another member and claim I'm in love with him. You really are a child. I don't think you deserve me debating with you simply because I'm trying to maturely debate a topic here while you're looking for any cheap way to try and ridicule me. Petty child.

Ermmm seems like this guy had a fucking issue with it, it even seems he BOUGHT NO PLAYERS and he still had an issue, it also seems he won everything in a season like you.. and he still had the issue. So unless he is wrong, or he has worded it wrong, a discussion will be had about this.

First guy: Had the issue pre-patch so as I said he wasn't managing his finances properly.

Second guy: Talking about what happens at the end of his second season. In that case we should believe him that in less than 2 days he's completed 2 seasons of ML. Honestly kid.

By all means discussions should be had, I never once said they shouldn't. What people shouldn't be doing, however, is complaining their life away about an issue with the game they don't know for sure for themselves exists in the first place. What have you achieved then? What people also shouldn't do is make fun of and insult others simply because they disagree with your opinion. Discussion is one things but an insulting argument is another thing entirely.

Also, Im going to ask you this question for the FIFTH TIME now.

Do you think its realistic for the cost of one player to = The entire annual income for a club such as Real Madrid?

I've answered that directly and indirectly. No it is not realistic for a player to cost a club like Real Madrid the same as their entire annual income. But this patch tries to make player values match real life values, not the entire annual income. What is realistic, however, is clubs asking for ludicrous prices when selling their players. Everyone wants to make a profit on their players. Is that unrealistic? £80 million for Ronaldo may not be Real Madrid's entire annual income but it's about 1/5 of it. And compared to a club like West Ham or Wolverhampton £80 million is probably more than their entire annual income or at least a large percentage of it.

Bottom line is you have no idea what you're on about kid. I'm wasting my time discussing all this with you because you're not reading what I say properly, you're just looking for ways to make me look wrong and ridicule me; failing every time. All you care about is being right and whoever doesn't want to agree with you 100% can go and die for all you care while anyone who does agree with you is your BFF.

Good luck kid. I think I've put enough into this thread for you to learn a thing or two, how you decide to take it all is, of course, entirely up to you. But I'm done. This ain't going nowhere as long as I'm attempting a debate with you; a child.

 

[S-D-P]

You make me laugh, you really do. From everything I said there you pick out my comment on another member and claim I'm in love with him. You really are a child. I don't think you deserve me debating with you simply because I'm trying to maturely debate a topic here while you're looking for any cheap way to try and ridicule me. Petty child.



First guy: Had the issue pre-patch so as I said he wasn't managing his finances properly.

Second guy: Talking about what happens at the end of his second season. In that case we should believe him that in less than 2 days he's completed 2 seasons of ML. Honestly kid.

By all means discussions should be had, I never once said they shouldn't. What people shouldn't be doing, however, is complaining their life away about an issue with the game they don't know for sure for themselves exists in the first place. What have you achieved then? What people also shouldn't do is make fun of and insult others simply because they disagree with your opinion. Discussion is one things but an insulting argument is another thing entirely.



I've answered that directly and indirectly. No it is not realistic for a player to cost a club like Real Madrid the same as their entire annual income. But this patch tries to make player values match real life values, not the entire annual income. What is realistic, however, is clubs asking for ludicrous prices when selling their players. Everyone wants to make a profit on their players. Is that unrealistic? £80 million for Ronaldo may not be Real Madrid's entire annual income but it's about 1/8 of it. And compared to a club like West Ham or Wolverhampton £80 million is probably more than their entire annual income or at least a large percentage of it.

Bottom line is you have no idea what you're on about kid. I'm wasting my time discussing all this with you because you're not reading what I say properly, you're just looking for ways to make me look wrong and ridicule me; failing every time. All you care about is being right and whoever doesn't want to agree with you 100% can go and die for all you care while anyone who does agree with you is your BFF.

Good luck kid. I think I've put enough into this thread for you to learn a thing or two, how you decide to take it all is, of course, entirely up to you. But I'm done. This ain't going nowhere as long as I'm attempting a debate with you; a child.

Your advice was spot on mate, but of course this now means I want to bum you.

 

[u1tradt]

Your advice was spot on mate, but of course this now means I want to bum you.

I lol'd.

 

[Montanaro]

yeah, I'm sure nobody has ever completed a ML season in a day (especially now with the option to skip games)

Can ya'll quit your senseless bickering? Nothing says maturity like fighting on a video game forum....

 

[u1tradt]

yeah, I'm sure nobody has ever completed a ML season in a day (especially now with the option to skip games)

Can ya'll quit your senseless bickering? Nothing says maturity like fighting on a video game forum....

Come on, how can you call that bickering? Well, my side of the debate anyway.

Also yes you could complete a ML season like that in less than a day but due to the random results you're far less likely to win any trophies by the end of that season. What I'm saying though is if you consistently win a trophy or two per season, money won't realistically become an issue.

 

[cjkinger]

christ tech skill, spend some time on something else for bit buddy. you are everywhere absolutely imploding about transfer prices. seriously buddy, either deal with it or find another hobby.

"because the patch increases transfer values, iv'e yet to see any proof it increases income"-tech skill

What would the point of the patch be if both transfer values and income increased? That would put you back where you started, which would be useless and not worth the time to "patch". Seems to me like you love playing with all star teams. Two pieces of advice: 1) delete the patch and go back to the game before the patch 2) find another game (fifa perhaps) or hobby, this seems to be taking up far too much of one person's life

 

[Tech_Skill]

I've answered that directly and indirectly. No it is not realistic for a player to cost a club like Real Madrid the same as their entire annual income.

Fucking Hell........You finally fucking answer the question, Only had to to ask you for about an hour before this one finally penetrated your brain matter. Let me just say this to you, then you can go back to dreaming of getting S-D-P's ballhairs stuck in your teeth.

I Understand your point about clubs asking crazy money for players these days, but...

I said the following about the large prices for player transfers.

"asking 59 million for heskey is crazy because thats probably more than Madrid ENTIRE Yearly income in the game"

You seem to be only concentrating on the Number 59 million and thinking, wow the number 59....this means that the financial system is realistic because 59 million is lots of money and players are valued at lots of money these days.

What IM SAYING is, that, forget the number 59 for a sec and think about its relationship to your Income... 59 million is in some case more than the entire annual income of a club like Real Madrid in PES. Buying a player like that in PES with Real Madrid can wipe out your whole total annual income (even before wages and fees). That's not right in my opinion.....im open to a change of opinion on that when presented with the right details. The point is, the relationship between player costs, income and wages might not be balanced correctly. Can I also say, we are discussing this issue happening with CERTAIN clubs with certain wage bills like Real/Barca, we are not saying this happens for every fucking club in the game, S-D-P might be using a different club with a different wage bill, his case is not the be all and end all.

First guy: Had the issue pre-patch so as I said he wasn't managing his finances properly.

Second guy: Talking about what happens at the end of his second season. In that case we should believe him that in less than 2 days he's completed 2 seasons of ML. Honestly kid.

If you actually fucking read the thread you would see that what is being discussed is that this issue of financial miscalculation when using certain clubs might not actually be exclusive to the new patch, but that the patch can potentially make the financial situation worse. The reason why is that the income for sponsorships etc post patch appeared to be the SAME as pre patch, but the players cost more. So if you decide to sign a player, in theory you will lose more money post patch compared to than you would have pre patch, no one is saying this is 100% correct, its what being discussed. As such we I'm not saying to users ''this issue happened pre patch, your point is worthless''...

Thats why I said this....


Very good Question, at the moment here are my thoughts.

The patch DOES have the potential to make it worse, simply because if you sign a player and dont sell, you LOSE even more money than you would pre patch, simply because the cost of players has RISEN, but the Income you get is the SAME (from what i have seen so far)

So you will potentially end up in a worse situation than before.

Pre patch, lets say you have get an income of 50 mil, you can buy a good player for 2/3/4/5 million, which means you are left with lots of money. around 45 million lets say.

Now, you are getting the SAME income, for instance 50 million, but a good player now costs 20 million, so you are worse off than you were before the patch, That's even before the we talk about the miscalculations of above.


Thats my point, im not pretending its 100% flawless either, but this is what is being discussed.

 

[S-D-P]

christ tech skill, spend some time on something else for bit buddy. you are everywhere absolutely imploding about transfer prices. seriously buddy, either deal with it or find another hobby.

"because the patch increases transfer values, iv'e yet to see any proof it increases income"-tech skill

What would the point of the patch be if both transfer values and income increased? That would put you back where you started, which would be useless and not worth the time to "patch". Seems to me like you love playing with all star teams. Two pieces of advice: 1) delete the patch and go back to the game before the patch 2) find another game (fifa perhaps) or hobby, this seems to be taking up far too much of one person's life

Its a PES forum, whether he is right or wrong this is what its for.