MysteryMan
Registered User
Alot of people seem to post these things, well I decided to make mine ( was bored lately )
Im sure you will agree with some stuff, and disagree with other stuff, but as for me these issues are all wrong imo.
Im going to debate every area of the game and all the biggest mistakes I found, so here goes.
1.Goalkeepers
Goalkeepers in PES 2011 are horrible sometimes, seriously I can't point out to how horrible they are, so many times theres a "slow" shot that even my grandma would catch and they jump like the last second and don't even stretch their arms out and get a goal, you guys know what animation im talking about.
There is also the issue of them running out to get a trough ball from AI, AUTOMATICALY , I do not have to order them sometimes they just run out and U CAN'T cancel it, so many times there was a trough ball and my defender was running towards the ball , opposition AI was far away and the goalkeeper rushed and kicked the ball away, thats just stupid.
The goalkeepers in PES should be : based on their stats make the right or wrong decisions, right or wrong positioning and then based on their overall gk stats make great saves or some human errors, but not jumping in 1 way and moving their arms AWAY so the ball goes into the net kind of errors, seriously never saw that in real life ever.
2.Defense
Surely one of the most horrible parts of the game no doubt, here are the biggest issues:
1.AI switching ur players in the wrong moments so you can't do anything about it and usualy makes u make a big error, we all know this.
2.AI defensive players beeing as fast as superman, HONESTLY this is retarded , you can even make a long trough ball and walcott and Ferdinand could race for the ball and they will be at least EVEN in speed and usually we all know that the player running already is already at top speed, but it doesnt matter the AI will accelerate to top speed in a second and then match ur speed NO MATTER which players.
3.You can't really control when to go for the tackle, at least I never found out how, not 100% sure about this one but im pretty sure u cant decide NOW and then ur man tackles , there is no button for that, the button simply applies pressure and then tacles according to the opposition player, there should be a button that will TACLE instantly not only "pressure" the opposing player, if u get it right good , if u miss the opposing player can get past u , or if u hit him its a foul, end of.
4. Pressure is way wrong from ur AI players and this doesnt go only for defence but they just leave TOO much space for players, they don't pressure them off the ball as they should, for example watch Barca in real life how they pressure, here in PES every team pressures like Arsenal, even if u have pressure up to 20.
5. The AI defence is just too stupid, and they run after you too much, I mean a player is going to CHASE U all around the pitch at all times, we all know in real soccer that isn't true, alot of times the defensive player simply waits for you , or if he pressures and u slip away a bit it backs off and waits , but in pes the defender ALWAYS chases you ALWAYS, which means you can EASILY exploit the defence if you have a skilfull player and know how, just run 1 way HE ALWAYS runs towards u and then just turn around him and u get rid of him always, its just too simple.
6. When the AI makes a trough pass your AI controlled teammates in defence will STOP and even move forwards so that the opponent will go clear on goal many times, unless YOU control one of ur defensive players and keep moving it back when you expect a trough ball from AI.
3.Attack
Now I write attack because the midfield doesn't have big issues so its basically meant for both.
Few of the biggest problems in attack
1.AI teammates DON'T MAKE RUNS, its as simple as that, theres nothing more to say over the subject, THEY DO NOT MAKE RUNS, which makes it impossible to make real quick counters , so many times theres SOOOOOO MUCH OPPURTUNITY for some AI teammate to make a run when theres basically only 1 player between you and him in defense and he simply DOESN'T, he just waits or even runs back lol.
2.Shooting, Shooting, Shooting.... way way way way wrong, its so frustrating seeing a replay of your player that CLEARLY hit the ball in a way that it SHOULD curve and yet it swerves , thats just an animation problem tho, shooting has way more problems because you basically CAN NOT CONTROL ur shooting, just like so many things in the game its just random, I don't know why we even have the shoot bar, it means nothing, it doesnt mean power , it doesn't mean height , it can be low power and goes over the bar or it can be high power and goes a bit over the ground , it can be low power and very strong or it can be high power and weak, even the player stats don't seem to have a big effect, I don't know im shooting with forlan and missing alot , then sometimes i shoot with some random noob and hit good, im not saying it doesn't effect but too less in my opinion, I mean I can go 1vs1 alot with Messi lets say or even Villa , and they miss so much its ridicilous, and then sometimes im under pressure and hit everything.
3. ur players beeing too slow, same issue as the 2. in the defense department, AI is just way faster then u.
Some other issues :
- AI opponents have super stats, I mean come on KONAMI are u so dumb that u can't make AI players play smarter in a tactical sense of the way so you have to make their STATS SUPERHUMAN in order to pose a challenge to us? thats pathetic and frustrating, and pointless.
- Refs are absolutely horrible, ALL THE WRONG decisions, you touch the opponent foul , you don't even touch him sometimes and its foul , AI CLEARLY fouls you not the ball no foul , you or ur opponent make a CLEAR foul on the LAST MAN going on goal no card , sometimes not even a slide tackle yellow card for u , unbelievable...
- Fast play non existant, whenever theres a foul ur players won't make a quick play , I mean how much does it happen seriously once in 30 matches? lmao.
- Advantage is non existant, it doesn't matter even if the AI BARELY touches you and u manage to pass a great trough ball , or if ur player picks the ball up and heads in a good counterattack THE REF NEVER plays advantage, EVER.
- Offside, even if u pass the ball to a player and the opposition manages to intercept it , its going to be offside, WHAT? they only whistle offside if the ball actually GOES TROUGH the defence and is picked by the offside player.
- If you pass a trough ball and overhit it by ALOT so it goes way past ur "selected" player , even if ur teammate is 2 metres AWAY from the freaking ball hes going to stand there like an idiot till the opposition takes it away, because your pass is linked and meant for the player u pass too , come on...
- Penalty camera , WHY FROM THE SIDE?
- When u pass the ball to a player hes going to RUN TOWARDS IT no matter what happens, even if the opposition player will INTERCEPT IT for sure, ur player will still run towards it and u cant do anything to cancel, and then as a result many times since ur player can't stop instantly will run past the player that intercepted the ball and the player will have a free space to go forward too.
- Injuries are completely unrealistic, I mean LONG term injuries are almost non existant, or at least EXTREMELY rare, you can go trough 5 seasons in ML without a single injury longer than 2 weeks, on the other hand there are FAR too much small injuries, I mean your players are almost
always injured for 1 week , almost every game u have 1 player at least if not more injured for 1 week after, its completely unrealistic and it DOES NOT happen in real life.
Another issue is that your player can't take any tackles, unless its really the least injury prone type, I mean Messi who takes 10 tackles in real life every game and is almost never out in PES hes usually ALWAYS injured for 1 week after 2 tackles, maybe 3 max.
NOW I won't mention ML and BAL issues , THERE ARE TOO MANY , but I must mention some that are absolutely SHOCKING in my opinion
1. in BAL the coach will put you in RIDICILOUS positions, you can be SS left for example hes going to put u RIGHT most of the times , sometimes ul be DMF , sometimes he'll put you CF , sometimes he'll put you SB??? lol da fuk
Hes going to drop u for important matches even if ur a legend, hes going to make weird line ups even for impotant matches not putting the important players in, and for others aswell, for example he always puts Messi on the left side, HUH?
2. Transfers in ML , no comment, Ronaldo , Messi , Xavi , Lampard , Rooney , Torres.. players like that going to clubs like Getafe , Napoli , PSV.....HUH??????? How HARD IS IT, SERIOUUUUSLY , TO MAKE IT NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR WORLD CLASS PLAYERS TO GO FROM 5 STAR CLUBS TO 1 STAR CLUBS, ITS COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. And also going to RIVAL teams, HOW HARD IS IT TO PROGRAM THAT LOLWTF.
3. Why don't players in simulation play like in real life, I mean look Messi scores 27 goals this year in 23 matches or something , ronaldo 24 in 25 matches or something, yet in ML as AI controled teams/players they can go a season scoring 5 goals , HOW REALISTIC is that?
Those are just some issues there are SO MANY MORE, but im just too lazy to write them all, KONAMI wake up, uR GAME IS HORRIBLE, its a bit better than pes 2008 or 2009 but those games were absolute rubish so that doesn't mean much, no matter the reviews or what "some" fanboys say, we must all accept facts and STOP being satisfied with such weak soccer games, until we will be things wont change, and the fact is PES NEEDS A NEW ENGINE, polishing this game just won't work, we need a new game.
Im sure you will agree with some stuff, and disagree with other stuff, but as for me these issues are all wrong imo.
Im going to debate every area of the game and all the biggest mistakes I found, so here goes.
1.Goalkeepers
Goalkeepers in PES 2011 are horrible sometimes, seriously I can't point out to how horrible they are, so many times theres a "slow" shot that even my grandma would catch and they jump like the last second and don't even stretch their arms out and get a goal, you guys know what animation im talking about.
There is also the issue of them running out to get a trough ball from AI, AUTOMATICALY , I do not have to order them sometimes they just run out and U CAN'T cancel it, so many times there was a trough ball and my defender was running towards the ball , opposition AI was far away and the goalkeeper rushed and kicked the ball away, thats just stupid.
The goalkeepers in PES should be : based on their stats make the right or wrong decisions, right or wrong positioning and then based on their overall gk stats make great saves or some human errors, but not jumping in 1 way and moving their arms AWAY so the ball goes into the net kind of errors, seriously never saw that in real life ever.
2.Defense
Surely one of the most horrible parts of the game no doubt, here are the biggest issues:
1.AI switching ur players in the wrong moments so you can't do anything about it and usualy makes u make a big error, we all know this.
2.AI defensive players beeing as fast as superman, HONESTLY this is retarded , you can even make a long trough ball and walcott and Ferdinand could race for the ball and they will be at least EVEN in speed and usually we all know that the player running already is already at top speed, but it doesnt matter the AI will accelerate to top speed in a second and then match ur speed NO MATTER which players.
3.You can't really control when to go for the tackle, at least I never found out how, not 100% sure about this one but im pretty sure u cant decide NOW and then ur man tackles , there is no button for that, the button simply applies pressure and then tacles according to the opposition player, there should be a button that will TACLE instantly not only "pressure" the opposing player, if u get it right good , if u miss the opposing player can get past u , or if u hit him its a foul, end of.
4. Pressure is way wrong from ur AI players and this doesnt go only for defence but they just leave TOO much space for players, they don't pressure them off the ball as they should, for example watch Barca in real life how they pressure, here in PES every team pressures like Arsenal, even if u have pressure up to 20.
5. The AI defence is just too stupid, and they run after you too much, I mean a player is going to CHASE U all around the pitch at all times, we all know in real soccer that isn't true, alot of times the defensive player simply waits for you , or if he pressures and u slip away a bit it backs off and waits , but in pes the defender ALWAYS chases you ALWAYS, which means you can EASILY exploit the defence if you have a skilfull player and know how, just run 1 way HE ALWAYS runs towards u and then just turn around him and u get rid of him always, its just too simple.
6. When the AI makes a trough pass your AI controlled teammates in defence will STOP and even move forwards so that the opponent will go clear on goal many times, unless YOU control one of ur defensive players and keep moving it back when you expect a trough ball from AI.
3.Attack
Now I write attack because the midfield doesn't have big issues so its basically meant for both.
Few of the biggest problems in attack
1.AI teammates DON'T MAKE RUNS, its as simple as that, theres nothing more to say over the subject, THEY DO NOT MAKE RUNS, which makes it impossible to make real quick counters , so many times theres SOOOOOO MUCH OPPURTUNITY for some AI teammate to make a run when theres basically only 1 player between you and him in defense and he simply DOESN'T, he just waits or even runs back lol.
2.Shooting, Shooting, Shooting.... way way way way wrong, its so frustrating seeing a replay of your player that CLEARLY hit the ball in a way that it SHOULD curve and yet it swerves , thats just an animation problem tho, shooting has way more problems because you basically CAN NOT CONTROL ur shooting, just like so many things in the game its just random, I don't know why we even have the shoot bar, it means nothing, it doesnt mean power , it doesn't mean height , it can be low power and goes over the bar or it can be high power and goes a bit over the ground , it can be low power and very strong or it can be high power and weak, even the player stats don't seem to have a big effect, I don't know im shooting with forlan and missing alot , then sometimes i shoot with some random noob and hit good, im not saying it doesn't effect but too less in my opinion, I mean I can go 1vs1 alot with Messi lets say or even Villa , and they miss so much its ridicilous, and then sometimes im under pressure and hit everything.
3. ur players beeing too slow, same issue as the 2. in the defense department, AI is just way faster then u.
Some other issues :
- AI opponents have super stats, I mean come on KONAMI are u so dumb that u can't make AI players play smarter in a tactical sense of the way so you have to make their STATS SUPERHUMAN in order to pose a challenge to us? thats pathetic and frustrating, and pointless.
- Refs are absolutely horrible, ALL THE WRONG decisions, you touch the opponent foul , you don't even touch him sometimes and its foul , AI CLEARLY fouls you not the ball no foul , you or ur opponent make a CLEAR foul on the LAST MAN going on goal no card , sometimes not even a slide tackle yellow card for u , unbelievable...
- Fast play non existant, whenever theres a foul ur players won't make a quick play , I mean how much does it happen seriously once in 30 matches? lmao.
- Advantage is non existant, it doesn't matter even if the AI BARELY touches you and u manage to pass a great trough ball , or if ur player picks the ball up and heads in a good counterattack THE REF NEVER plays advantage, EVER.
- Offside, even if u pass the ball to a player and the opposition manages to intercept it , its going to be offside, WHAT? they only whistle offside if the ball actually GOES TROUGH the defence and is picked by the offside player.
- If you pass a trough ball and overhit it by ALOT so it goes way past ur "selected" player , even if ur teammate is 2 metres AWAY from the freaking ball hes going to stand there like an idiot till the opposition takes it away, because your pass is linked and meant for the player u pass too , come on...
- Penalty camera , WHY FROM THE SIDE?
- When u pass the ball to a player hes going to RUN TOWARDS IT no matter what happens, even if the opposition player will INTERCEPT IT for sure, ur player will still run towards it and u cant do anything to cancel, and then as a result many times since ur player can't stop instantly will run past the player that intercepted the ball and the player will have a free space to go forward too.
- Injuries are completely unrealistic, I mean LONG term injuries are almost non existant, or at least EXTREMELY rare, you can go trough 5 seasons in ML without a single injury longer than 2 weeks, on the other hand there are FAR too much small injuries, I mean your players are almost
always injured for 1 week , almost every game u have 1 player at least if not more injured for 1 week after, its completely unrealistic and it DOES NOT happen in real life.
Another issue is that your player can't take any tackles, unless its really the least injury prone type, I mean Messi who takes 10 tackles in real life every game and is almost never out in PES hes usually ALWAYS injured for 1 week after 2 tackles, maybe 3 max.
NOW I won't mention ML and BAL issues , THERE ARE TOO MANY , but I must mention some that are absolutely SHOCKING in my opinion
1. in BAL the coach will put you in RIDICILOUS positions, you can be SS left for example hes going to put u RIGHT most of the times , sometimes ul be DMF , sometimes he'll put you CF , sometimes he'll put you SB??? lol da fuk
Hes going to drop u for important matches even if ur a legend, hes going to make weird line ups even for impotant matches not putting the important players in, and for others aswell, for example he always puts Messi on the left side, HUH?
2. Transfers in ML , no comment, Ronaldo , Messi , Xavi , Lampard , Rooney , Torres.. players like that going to clubs like Getafe , Napoli , PSV.....HUH??????? How HARD IS IT, SERIOUUUUSLY , TO MAKE IT NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR WORLD CLASS PLAYERS TO GO FROM 5 STAR CLUBS TO 1 STAR CLUBS, ITS COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. And also going to RIVAL teams, HOW HARD IS IT TO PROGRAM THAT LOLWTF.
3. Why don't players in simulation play like in real life, I mean look Messi scores 27 goals this year in 23 matches or something , ronaldo 24 in 25 matches or something, yet in ML as AI controled teams/players they can go a season scoring 5 goals , HOW REALISTIC is that?
Those are just some issues there are SO MANY MORE, but im just too lazy to write them all, KONAMI wake up, uR GAME IS HORRIBLE, its a bit better than pes 2008 or 2009 but those games were absolute rubish so that doesn't mean much, no matter the reviews or what "some" fanboys say, we must all accept facts and STOP being satisfied with such weak soccer games, until we will be things wont change, and the fact is PES NEEDS A NEW ENGINE, polishing this game just won't work, we need a new game.
