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This defensive player catchup issue has gotten too much!!

Sminky

Registered User
All I'll say on this is that Konami admitted dumbing down attacking players AI because on the first run throughs of the new code attacking players were just too good. Thats why players run off side so much and get caught so easily. I think Konami took the easy option out.

That said, you take a good first touch from a through ball, god your defenders can be thick, my defenders either run away from the ball or seem confused about which direction to be facing when defending it!
 

Amateur

Registered User
Nice of you to show your wonderful observational skills by stating that this is a Rage thread... no... this is Player Catchup Issue thread.... completely different.

You don't make ANY positive comments in ANY threads. The only time you post is when you sense an opportunity to have a rant about the left stick. You NEVER help anyone who posts a query.

Just because I don't write paragraphs upon paragraphs of useless dribble, doesn't mean I don't think about it, and to be honest... why should I think about it as much as you do? It's a game.

I have read your arguments, but still CAN'T see how the left stick affects player speed! The lack of freedom in the game isn't just down to the functionality of the L stick, it's about how the computer controls the AI players. The players we control are running at the pace that they should be (in my opinion), the AI players are running at a pace which is controlled by the AI. At no point when I'm bombing down the wing with Lennon, do I feel that the game is slowing me down, or that the "functionality of that darn left stick" is hindering me in any way. The only time that I think I'm being hindered is when I am running onto a pass.

Lack of interest or respect? Why should I show respect to you when you haven't shown any to me? Why should I show respect to someone who posts the same thing over and over again, like he's just copied it off a saved Microsoft Word document on his PC? Why should I show respect to someone who claims that everything he says is the be all and end all, yet has no evidence.

I am willing to take on some of your arguments, about how we are restricted in a way, as we are in most computer games. But I just don't see how the left stick has any relevance to player speed, or why Real Madrid are so good for that matter.

If I am playing online against a human controlled player, me running down the wing with Lennon, him chasing me with.. say...Marcelo. We're both holding the L stick in the same direction, both holding R1, he will catch up to me despite being the slower player. Because 1) Players can run faster without the ball (this is natural) and 2) The game favours the defensive players in these situations, always has done, but has been less evident in previous games.

This game has actually been my favourite PES in this generation of consoles. I don't feel as if it has been dumbed down.

Bottom line is:

You don't need to keep posting the same argument in every thread you've visited, for me it's getting very tired. Do you actually have any new arguments? Do you even play the game anymore? You've made close to 2,000 comments on this site... are they all long rants about the left stick?

Here's a little advice to you, which I have taken on board myself. Just try to enjoy the game despite it's flaws. Try not to think about the flaws so much, this is obviously hindering your enjoyment. Enjoy winning the Master League with Huylens etc, enjoy beating people online and your friends. Sure, you can get angry a little bit, but it's just like real football isn't it? The team you support (Boca?) has it's flaws, they may piss you off from time to time, the manager may keep playing a player that every fan thinks is completely useless, but you still enjoy supporting them don't you?

I am not telling you nor anyone how to behave in a forum, I did not fucking ask you what you think about me, I am talking about the actual product and about the actual subject of the thread, which is a NEGATIVE subject; by the way, this is a RAGE thread for RAGING about the most glaring flaw.

This defensive player catchup issue has gotten too much!! -- RAGING.

I tried to enjoy the game despite the glaring flaws, which is why I even bothered buying the game, but I simply cannot enjoy the game; I have stated the reasons why, instead of moaning like a child who doesn't look for reasons and instead moans for the sake of moaning.

Try not to talk so much bullshit, I certainly do not give a fuck about whatever it is you think of me, I do not come here to make friends, I have friends, I come here to talk about a product; I reiterate the point, I have never commented on one of your post saying that you should be more positive, I suggest that you do the same thing as I never asked you what you think about my behavior or contributions; if you are not interested, do not respond to the post, as simple as that.

As I was saying, lack of interest and lack of decency; you criticize my behavior and my argument, and yet you do not have the decency of actually trying to understand the argument, you just pretend you give a fuck but your words say that you don't give a fuck.

Last but not least; you have no clue, you express your arguments like a child, you are actually arguing against a fact since you apparently are unable of understanding very simple things: fuck you, I don't want your respect nor did I asked for your advice.
 

Ali

It is happening again
If you actually read my post, you would see that I have tried to understand your argument, yet you reply with a string of verbal abuse.... classy. You have failed to respond to any of my counter points, I assume because you are unable to make any. Good stuff... you have earned my respect...
 

LOL-ness

Registered User
If you actually read my post, you would see that I have tried to understand your argument, yet you reply with a string of verbal abuse.... classy. You have failed to respond to any of my counter points, I assume because you are unable to make any. Good stuff... you have earned my respect...

I posted something related earlier in this thread:

I personally don't mind some bitching, but it does get very tiring to read when the same person repeats his ranting every single time on a lot of different threads. I end up not reading it at all and just filter their entire post away.

Perhaps it'll help you :laugh:
 

Montanaro

Registered User
Thanks for the clarification. Looks like I've been subconsciously flicking the left stick every time I tried that trick.

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I remember the combo now. While doing the double tap sprint, you have to press RT/R2 and flick the left stick in the direction you are running.

I tried this a lot in practice, and sometimes you get really good distance on the dribble, but the button combo causes all sorts of possible problems. Sometimes your player will stop sprinting (as you have to release RB/R1 in order to press it simultaneously with RT/R2). I don't understand why they didn't make it to where all you have to do is press RT, instead of having to do the double press. Also when you flick the left stick, you occassionally stop since you have to let off the stick in order to flick it.

This extra extra long dribbling is simply not worth doing, especially online.
 

jayjay1306

Registered User
Just having a quick read through this and I have two things to say:

1) I agree with the OP; defending is too easy and way in favour of the defending team (both for computer and human).

2) AMATEUR is a complete cunt. If you find this statement offensive or insulting, I'm willing to take a ban for it because what this guy spouts off (TIME AND TIME AGAIN) is absolute shit. He should be banned for disrupting posts time and time again. If people do not agree with what you say Amateur, doesn't mean they are wrong. And if you don't like a post or a particular opinion, don't reply - simple.

If I wanted to hear nagging time and time again, I'd spend more time with my wife.

Prick.

Happy New Year to everyone else who isn't a waste of oxygen.
 

Phatmann

HGW XX/7
Amateur and jayjay, there's no need to swear at and insult other members so take a little ban each to cool off. Amateur, you seem to need an extended ban since you've been banned several times in the past few months, so we'll see you again in 7 days.
 

jayjay1306

Registered User
Amateur and jayjay, there's no need to swear at and insult other members so take a little ban each to cool off. Amateur, you seem to need an extended ban since you've been banned several times in the past few months, so we'll see you again in 7 days.

Just to state I didn't insult 'other members', just 'member'. And I think it was justified but never mind.
 
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