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Do not buy pes 2012

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Hunter

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I've just banned mason5r for being insulting directly to another member. Everyone else calm down, and discuss the negatives of PES 2012 in a peaceful fashion, as otherwise no doubt, this thread will be locked, and those involved in causing it to be locked will all receive bans.

Thanks.
 

Micho

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I've just banned mason5r for being insulting directly to another member. Everyone else calm down, and discuss the negatives of PES 2012 in a peaceful fashion, as otherwise no doubt, this thread will be locked, and those involved in causing it to be locked will all receive bans.

Thanks.

hey dont lock my thread because of others mistakes, just ban the one who deserves it
 

Micho

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It's much better now after the patch and I can vouch that build up play is now rewarded and the pace of the game is now at a sane realistic pace

:no:
You upload a video and i'll tell you where you're going wrong

what about defense guys? what about goalkeeper rebounds all over the place and what about marking? i dont see any improvements in these... seems impossible to play defense
 

Ultimate777

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:no:


what about defense guys? what about goalkeeper rebounds all over the place and what about marking? i dont see any improvements in these... seems impossible to play defense

Don't shake your head at me boy, have you bothered to adjust your tactics? Or do you just fly right into the game and expect your team to be perfect?
 

markcross

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even with the update 2012 is more of a dribbleing game than 2011 which was more of a passing game, anyone agree with this?
 

Ultimate777

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even with the update 2012 is more of a dribbleing game than 2011 which was more of a passing game, anyone agree with this?

I agree with that. It seems if your team/player is pacey with above average dribbling ability, then they will get more rewarded in terms of possession and creating more number of chances throughout the match.

I'm not overly keen on this years version, just doesn't feel as authentic for some reason.

The patch has definitely helped though as before it was on a border of being unplayable and could understand why so many were feeling disillusioned with it.
 

orlandoSPUR

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No I wouldn't as people will always ping pong pass as people don't want to play unassisted..that goes for any football game be it pes or FIFA. I personally don't and so get some beatings as my passing will be off and the opponent will quickley counter attack on me
 

abu97

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MOzzyeng wants to ban me.
In another thread he starts to be racist and call me a dickhead and i am the troll that gets the ban. I am completely neutral guy and i don't insult anybody apart from guys that take the mick out of my family or race. If there is one person to ban, it is mozzyeng because of his constant bickering 'he is a cock-sucking bi*** because he doesn't like the game'

I'm so glad mason5r is banned
 

markcross

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tbh the game clicked for me last week, i was lovin it lol, but this week i cant quite get the same feel for it, i have games were i feel in control but then games were its a lottery if i score? leaves me filled a bit miffed sum games
 

Ultimate777

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MOzzyeng wants to ban me.
In another thread he starts to be racist and call me a dickhead and i am the troll that gets the ban. I am completely neutral guy and i don't insult anybody apart from guys that take the mick out of my family or race. If there is one person to ban, it is mozzyeng because of his constant bickering 'he is a cock-sucking bi*** because he doesn't like the game'

I'm so glad mason5r is banned

The boy has been banned now so just forget about it and concentrate on the discussion at hand.


tbh the game clicked for me last week, i was lovin it lol, but this week i cant quite get the same feel for it, i have games were i feel in control but then games were its a lottery if i score? leaves me filled a bit miffed sum games

Is this online or offline? I get it a lot online but that's due to variation of opposing teams quality who I'm up against. If there is a large gulf between the two teams in terms of the quality players who I'm up against, then it's to be expected that you won't be dominating as much and have to grind out the result.

When it's on a level playing field then I'll have more control of the play and can dictate the flow. That's football you know, some games you''ll dominate and others you''ll be under the cosh.
 

abu97

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the patch 1.02 makes everything feel like demo 2 but with improved keepers and shooting.
I hate defending as every team can use step overs and bursts to get past any defenders so i just use r2 and square so the com defends for me. There's no other way guys, other tactics are useless apart from x to press. Also there can be silly own goals from time to time like micho states because this patch might make it better but the COM presses the living heck out of you so it's harder to keep possesion. Some might think this is realistic but i was bayern munich vs bayern leversuken and ribery or robben couldn't get past their defence so it's harder to attack and defend but i don't mind since it makes it more challenging instead of winning every match eventhough conceding silly own goals.

Also crowds chear more in relevant places which makes the match more tense dependig on how important the match is.
 

Micho

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Don't shake your head at me boy, have you bothered to adjust your tactics? Or do you just fly right into the game and expect your team to be perfect?

i tried all possible tactics with Bayern and Germany... defense is unplayable always conceding silly goals after dominating the game
possession and midfield control doesn't affect the game outcome and is useless... all you have to do is trigger a run in the middle or on the flanks, through pass 1 on 1 on keeper and you're done... there is no way to defend in this horrible game and the amount of monkeys pressuring the ball is really so annoying
 

MozzyEng

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MOzzyeng wants to ban me.
In another thread he starts to be racist and call me a dickhead and i am the troll that gets the ban. I am completely neutral guy and i don't insult anybody apart from guys that take the mick out of my family or race. If there is one person to ban, it is mozzyeng because of his constant bickering 'he is a cock-sucking bi*** because he doesn't like the game'

I'm so glad mason5r is banned

Why dont you learn fucking english and read properly, And stop lying and grow up
And btw you moron i do love the game troll
 

Ultimate777

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Tactics are not useless as if you play with a high d line you'll get raped. Depending if you play with wingers or a standard diamond formation you should adjust your perimeters for if you want to play narrow or with width.
 

g221911g

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SCRIPTING TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

EVERY SINGLE FEATURE IN THIS GAMEPLAY IS BROKEN!!!!

Nothing changed except the fact that konami has made it easier to ping pong pass by moving your defenders out of the way and not allowing you to change cursor.

Scripted goals are a comin'!!!!

Great AI????

Just gave up a goal where guy takes the kick off, kicks it to MY RB who I can't get in control of. I have to watch him stutter step around the ball until their LM goes to get it. At this time, konami gives me control of the player so I attempt to put pressure, only to watch him LUNGE and toepoke (90 degrees no less) a screamer of a cross along the ground to my LB who decides to RUN AWAY FROM THE BALL WHILE THE CURSOR IS ON HIS HEAD! The ball ends up rolling to his RM that came from 35 yards away to one time the shot (he had pressed it right after pressing the cross) right at my keeper and into the goal.

Over and over again I watch as my opponent passes without a thought to direction and konami makes it all work out for them by not allowing me to defend or change cursor for seconds at a time. Even when I am standing right there, some silly animation that allows me to miss the ball happens.

Manual pass...I play the ball just in front of my player, the game decides it was for the player on the other side of the field and I can't change cursor until opposition wins the ball. Meanwhile the guy on my team standing next to the ball has no idea it's there.....Scripted beyond reason

The system is broken. There are just too many scripted sequences in this game for me to take it seriously. It seems obvious konami is fine with being 2nd. I can't think of one thing that works well in this game other than the online connectivity being improved and the patch slowing down the game speed. But this slowdown only glorifies the scripting. Gameplay and freedom pale in comparison to even FIFA (which should show you how far this series has fallen).

The fatal flaw is that the programmers have little knowledge of football. This is why they continue to code a game that has no freedom and just automatically does the things they have seen on tv, with little regard to context.

Now just press the special controls button and if you run right into the defender, the ref will call a foul...Only because you pressed 'special controls', not because it was a foul.

That's why hitting a chipped through ball activates the opposition defense running forward to clear the space AFTER the ball has been kicked to them.

That's why ping pong passing is effective without regard to direction faced, pressure faced, pace of the ball, or players body position. Because no matter what, konami will decide if the pass should be completed, not the player and ANYTHING he/she may do.

I haven't played FIFA 12 and I traditionally don't like it. And I don't really expect to now. But these idiots (konami) have forced me to go and try it out. Almost positive that it can't be any farther from football than this (Also almost positive that I'm going to have to learn programming myself and make my own game )

I am going to assume (oh assumptions!) that a game of FIFA between two knowledgeable players is MUCH BETTER and more realistic than the same in PES. This is because konami dictates 95% of the game.

Some may say FIFA is boring. For me, PES' scripted, forced, predictable excitement equals no excitement at all....

Oh and how could I forget; so far I've won three times, drawn once (thanks to the goal described above), and lost one. (for the inevitable intelligent responses)

How is it that while I defend a corner kick, the ball comes directly to me, and konami switches my player to someone who has no chance??? (My cursor is on semi-assisted)???? They literally switch your player to the player that has no chance to win the ball.

A PISS POOR FRANCHISE WITH NO ANSWERS, END OF...and I won't be sad when it's dead....even if I don't ever play one game of FIFA.
 

Micho

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Tactics are not useless as if you play with a high d line you'll get raped. Depending if you play with wingers or a standard diamond formation you should adjust your perimeters for if you want to play narrow or with width.

i told you i tried all possible combinations, in all of them defense is a joke... really silly scripted goals
 

Micho

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SCRIPTING TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

EVERY SINGLE FEATURE IN THIS GAMEPLAY IS BROKEN!!!!

Nothing changed except the fact that konami has made it easier to ping pong pass by moving your defenders out of the way and not allowing you to change cursor.

Scripted goals are a comin'!!!!

Great AI????

Just gave up a goal where guy takes the kick off, kicks it to MY RB who I can't get in control of. I have to watch him stutter step around the ball until their LM goes to get it. At this time, konami gives me control of the player so I attempt to put pressure, only to watch him LUNGE and toepoke (90 degrees no less) a screamer of a cross along the ground to my LB who decides to RUN AWAY FROM THE BALL WHILE THE CURSOR IS ON HIS HEAD! The ball ends up rolling to his RM that came from 35 yards away to one time the shot (he had pressed it right after pressing the cross) right at my keeper and into the goal.

Over and over again I watch as my opponent passes without a thought to direction and konami makes it all work out for them by not allowing me to defend or change cursor for seconds at a time. Even when I am standing right there, some silly animation that allows me to miss the ball happens.

Manual pass...I play the ball just in front of my player, the game decides it was for the player on the other side of the field and I can't change cursor until opposition wins the ball. Meanwhile the guy on my team standing next to the ball has no idea it's there.....Scripted beyond reason

The system is broken. There are just too many scripted sequences in this game for me to take it seriously. It seems obvious konami is fine with being 2nd. I can't think of one thing that works well in this game other than the online connectivity being improved and the patch slowing down the game speed. But this slowdown only glorifies the scripting. Gameplay and freedom pale in comparison to even FIFA (which should show you how far this series has fallen).

The fatal flaw is that the programmers have little knowledge of football. This is why they continue to code a game that has no freedom and just automatically does the things they have seen on tv, with little regard to context.

Now just press the special controls button and if you run right into the defender, the ref will call a foul...Only because you pressed 'special controls', not because it was a foul.

That's why hitting a chipped through ball activates the opposition defense running forward to clear the space AFTER the ball has been kicked to them.

That's why ping pong passing is effective without regard to direction faced, pressure faced, pace of the ball, or players body position. Because no matter what, konami will decide if the pass should be completed, not the player and ANYTHING he/she may do.

I haven't played FIFA 12 and I traditionally don't like it. And I don't really expect to now. But these idiots (konami) have forced me to go and try it out. Almost positive that it can't be any farther from football than this (Also almost positive that I'm going to have to learn programming myself and make my own game )

I am going to assume (oh assumptions!) that a game of FIFA between two knowledgeable players is MUCH BETTER and more realistic than the same in PES. This is because konami dictates 95% of the game.

Some may say FIFA is boring. For me, PES' scripted, forced, predictable excitement equals no excitement at all....

Oh and how could I forget; so far I've won three times, drawn once (thanks to the goal described above), and lost one. (for the inevitable intelligent responses)

How is it that while I defend a corner kick, the ball comes directly to me, and konami switches my player to someone who has no chance??? (My cursor is on semi-assisted)???? They literally switch your player to the player that has no chance to win the ball.

A PISS POOR FRANCHISE WITH NO ANSWERS, END OF...and I won't be sad when it's dead....even if I don't ever play one game of FIFA.

i second everything you said... it happens to me too every time
 

g221911g

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i tried all possible tactics with Bayern and Germany... defense is unplayable always conceding silly goals after dominating the game
possession and midfield control doesn't affect the game outcome and is useless... all you have to do is trigger a run in the middle or on the flanks, through pass 1 on 1 on keeper and you're done... there is no way to defend in this horrible game and the amount of monkeys pressuring the ball is really so annoying

Exactly. The funny thing is konami will allow to players to move faster than the ball for minutes at a time and not get tired....meanwhile your players STAND in position to be marked (no matter what your tactics are) and 30 minutes in they're completely gassed!

The numbers of people that can defend this shit are decreasing by the day/month/year, and the ones that still do are getting more and more delusional.

I just beat a guy who was 570 in MLO 1-0 and I swear the only thing he did was run sideways with a MF and launch chipped through balls while my defense parted EVERY SINGLE TIME so he could get the ball. If konami didn't help me by making all of his shots go to my keeper, I would have lost 9-1. To the most asinine, idiotic, unrealistic football ever. The funny thing is, you know he dominates people most of the time with this shit.

Not even close to anything resembling real football.
 
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