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PES 2013 Demo 1: Feedback, Impressions, Discussions etc.

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abu97

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MysteryMan said:
Some more crazy stats from KONAMI.

Kompany is only 87. Chiellini is 91, Thiago Silva is 96.
Giggs is 87 aswell, way overrated lol.
Silva is 89 while Aguero is only 87.
Tevez is 87, according to KONAMI Teves is as good as Aguero, lol.
Terry is 91, David Luiz is 86, meanwhile Ivanovic is only 76.
Arteta is better than RVP.
Gomez is not even 80, srsly?
Messi is 98, now while that is good Ronaldo really shouldn't be better than him in any case, and Iniesta, Xavi, Alves etc... shouldn't even be close, come on, Messi is by far the best on his team and he has carried Barca last season all by himself almost, yet Xavi is only 1 point lower, Iniesta 2 and Alves 3.


I know overall stats don't tell the whole story but they are still ridicilous, and when you go into individual stats its even more ridicilous.

Cristiano Ronaldo has 97 dribble accuracy!! LOL, 97 dribble accuracy... rofl.
Meanwhile he only has 87 top speed, Walcott for example has 97.

KONAMI really has no clue about players, seriously when I get the full game im going to have to edit EVERYTHING based on how PSD has it, this is crazy.
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How did you find these stats?

If you can, is it possible you can give me the rating of Juan Mata and RVP?
 
Sminky

Sminky

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He may have access to PES editor ... that's why I've asked about the teams, most of them, if not all would appear through the editor.
 
Amateur

Amateur

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IronCity said:
I can understand that. I know you like arcade racers more than simulated racers. But it is not really not FIFA aesthetics I am talking, it is more lifelike game play of movement of FIFA. Players run in more than 8 directions on the real pitch. So my point is almost that I could attach my old PS2 to the TV set and save 40 american dollars this year if I want that. Either way we will have to apply an option file if we are into real rosters/kits as I am. Although I do feel I will likely by both PES and FIFA (I wasted $40 on much worse things in my life).

I am probably not to used to either, but if my teammate starts a run and encounters a defender I want him to alter his path around the defender to continue (FIFA) instead of simply slowing and clogging up next to the defender (PES) because their is no programming set to get around him. As a Madden player, if my running back simply ran straight forward with the ball instead of juking or changing direction to avoid a tackle I would be upset as well. That is why I wouldn't play Madden on PS2.
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Well to be fair, underneath that "aesthetic" or "illusion" of freedom that the "organic" off the ball runs create, the same old tricks that worked back in 2009, still work perfectly, which is just one out of many examples, that do expose the fact that FIFA is not a state of the art video game, but merely an old car with a new box.

Hey "look at how the striker avoided the defender; looks so fucking cool!!" yet, I can still send a long ball to the same exact direction again and again, without even looking at the damn screen, and 7 times out of 10 that creates a goal scoring opportunity; I mean, quite simply, I am not very amused by the aesthetics when the core game is in actual fact a d-pad game with additional analog gimmicks.

Now I'm not saying that PES12 is better than FIFA12, I mean, I personally prefer FIFA12, but to me, the contest between PES12 and FIFA12 was not one that revolved around the "which is one is better" question, but instead, one that revolved around the "which one sucks less" question, and to most people FIFA12 was that little less bad.

At the end of the day, my point is, that even though FIFA12 hides the d-pad mechanics better than PES12, it still remains a d-pad game at the core.

Adding cool looking aesthetics to a game with dated core mechanics, doesn't actually make it a "simulation", FIFA12 is not a simulation not even by the lowest of standards, FIFA12 is an arcade game with "simulation-like" aesthetics.

Again, I am not saying that PES12 is a "smarter" game, I'm just saying that FIFA12 is not a state of the art simulation which can be compared to video games that do actually try to be sim games.

And in addition to that, I would much rather have a solid game that on the negative side isn't very pleasing to the eye, than have a FIFA12, which looks like a simulation but plays like a dated arcade game, which is the reason why so many fans complain about the poor replay value of the FIFA franchise, because finding the same old flaw takes about five minutes of play.

Though again, unfortunately, so far in this gen of consoles, nobody has offered a good footy sim, so far it's been a case of which one is less bad.

Wewillgreetu said:
Well there is the R3 run but even then you have no say over were they decide to make that run. How would you go about addressing that issue though? I mean without making it to complicated. Faster cursor highlighting? It is true though we still have to rely on the computer AI particulary with runs.

The R3 run was useless for me in PES 2012 you would click it on the player to make the run and your player controlling the ball would decide to lollipop. That got really old it was too easy last year to do that when you wanted to make a player run into space. Another problem with the R3 runner was that sometimes when you had plenty of men forward it was hard to highlight the specific player you wanted to make the run into space.
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The R3 is uncomfortable, as simple as that. What Konami should offer is a memory system, in which you can save four different off the ball runs into each of the four directions of the d-pad, that creates a total of 16 off the ball variations, to be used or not used, as desired by the player.

And of course, the computer will always need to "script" a large percentage of what happens off the ball: the speed, the movement of 20 players, etc, etc. But the least that Konami could offer, instead of the R3 nonsense, is simply offer some level of control over just a few selected players.

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Example: direct the d-pad towards the west (west is attached to Cristiano Ronaldo) just once, and Cristiano will execute the same repetitive pattern of off the ball movement.

Example: direct the d-pad towards the west again, and Cristiano Ronaldo will execute a different series of repetitive off the ball patterns.

Example: direct the d-pad towards the west again, and again, and again, quickly, and Cristiano Ronaldo will revert back to doing whatever the computer dictates.
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You might think that we already have something similar to what I've explained, but the massive difference is, that with the feature that I have explained you have a great level of control over the key individuals in your team, you can alter their off the ball patterns on-the-fly and without over-complicated procedures.

And of course, as should be expected, the repetitive patterns should never actually feel nor look like identical copies, due to the many variables that will force slight alterations to the repetitive patterns: the computer would still dictate the speed of the off the ball movement, the computer would still have full control over the players that you did not selected (you can only select four), etc, etc.

The off the ball patterns would not be predetermined by the computer as pre-set options that you can select, instead, you would design them yourself,

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Xavi Hernandez (attached to the south direction of the d-pad)

* (first tap on the d-pad towards the south direction)

* before touching the ball: (you have a picture of the football pitch) you do not actually draw a line or lines of the movement that you want, instead, a dot appears on the football pitch, and then you move that dot all over the pitch, and then eventually you select the starting point, and then the end point (whatever happens between the starting point and the end point, should never actually be an identical copy).

* after touching the ball: (again, the picture of the pitch) select the starting point, and then the end point; or, you could also select com-movement, which means that the selected player (Xavi Hernandez) -after touching the ball- will revert back to the random off the ball movements that the computer dictates.

* (logically, "before touching the ball" and "after touching the ball", means that every time you win or loose possession of the ball, the script will go back to "before touching the ball" and then "after touching the ball")
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Essentially, off the ball movement would still be scripted, but it would be scripted in an RPG type of way, thus giving you a level of control over the overall picture that is the script.

And again, at the end of the day, the feature would not be forced upon all players, you could either use it or ignore it, but the important thing is to offer more substance to the consumers that have grown bored of the same old one dimensional routine of simply letting the computer do whatever the computer wants to do.
 
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Spursman

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SOOO many offsides. Was the same in 2011. I hope they fix this.

First touch sometimes crap.

players turn too slowly

shooting is great
 
menaceuk

menaceuk

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Spursman said:
SOOO many offsides. Was the same in 2011. I hope they fix this.

First touch sometimes crap.

players turn too slowly

shooting is great
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First touch seems dependant on ball skills. maybe not fully but seems to make a difference.

Or maybe I just imagined it:unsure:
 
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Wewillgreetu

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SteEagles27 said:
PES 13 ronaldo free kick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIun76OKg7U&feature=g-all-u
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It is a peach of a free kick no doubt about that but knucklball is such a cheap tactic. I mean you can score from about 45M away in PES 2012 when using it. If you get it on target which is easy by the way, the keeper always palms it away. Executing the knuckleball might not be so easy but if you practice and practice then it becomes a cheap way of scoring or creating a chance.
 
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SteEagles27

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to me it feels the roboticness is making it fall just short of being a great game. it just feels stiff for some reason. like it needs to loosen up and let the players run and move around 100% freely.

it allmost plays aswell as the PS2 versions PES 4 + 5. but if you go back and boot those games up you will see they play great games of football without the players feeling stiff and robotic. that is why those games were fantastic.

so basically i think if they remove the roboticness this game will be addictive like old times. if not it will just be a decent game that ppl play every now and again
 
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soc160

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Lets face it lads, the full game will be nothing like this if the last 3 years of demo's are anything to go by... Might not be a good thing though.
 
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abu97

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MysteryMan said:
And yes I have an editor, but those screenshots are from the unlocked pes demo, if you have PC you can get it here:

http://www.pes-patch.com/2012/07/pesedit-com-2013-demo-patch-1-0.html

All player stats in game are from KONAMI except Real and Barca, they seem to have been edited, don't know why tho.
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Thanks for the link MysteryMan and I find it a shock that KONAMI still have rated Mata very low, its as if KONAMI haven't watched him in the league, only the Euros and Champions League where he performed inconsistently. Named Chelsea's best player along Ramires and doesn't get an upgrade. :facepalm:

And as for RVP, I was expecting his rating to be around 90 but his rating should increase when he is put in the wing like previous versions. Also, he has 180 turn which I think is a scoop turn. I've been waiting for so long for that skill to be in
 
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abu97

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@Spursman

The offsides in 2011 were due to poor AI and responsiveness - Players lazily were spending their time not bothering to stay onside so you had no option but to play offside all the time. In 2013, the offsides are more dependant on your timing as the AI and responsiveness are brilliant however its your input to make the pass just before a teammate makes the run into an offside position. I have no problem with offsides as I can time my through balls brilliantly, just like Xavi - a person that could make a through ball a split second before the player latching on to the through ball passes the defender.

In 2011, it was because of the CPU which you couldn't control. In 2013, the offsides are more realistic and based on your timing WHICH you could countrol
 
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Fenerlover

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Guys, how do we increase player speed/stamina ?
On PES12 on the PS3, by pressing SELECT + R1/R2 we could increase/decrease stamina/speed

How do we do this on the latest demo ? :)
 
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qareem

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Wow.. A great demo indeed... Congrat konami..
What a fantastic demo... Really like the smoothness of player movement now..
A little tweak here and there to make a player more aggresive in pressing would be great.
Just play not more than 20 games, but I still never encounter any quick throw in, quick free kick (player is ready to take a free kick, but didn't response when I press x) and injury. For others who had play more.. have you encounter all these?

And any news on the A.I. team line up selection? An option to make the A.I. team pick their line up (i.e. base on form) would be a great addition, I thought this option was still there in PES 2010.. Facing same lineup in every match (exhibition) sometimes divert from the reality IMO.

Again... The 'one more game' feeling is coming back... And congrats KONAMI for that..

WE2011 player...
 
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superpav

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ill start off with pes12. i brought that and thought it was okay but quickly got bored of it. hated the shooting hated the way nearly all free kicks (4 out of 5 when in during one game lol) hated when the ball was slowly going out for a throw that it would not let me even try attempt to keep the ball in. and also the ping pong effect in your goal mouth wich u new would result in the cpu scoring.

i not played many games of pes13 demo yet but it seems better
the shooting better but ever since pes10 the game still feels floaty and ping pong football.

i keep trying fifa but hate that game. fifa seem to force you to play one way. long ball over the top and one on one with the keeper. with pes you have to build up play more.

anyway hope this pes is the real deal as im still playing pes09 lol
 
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SteEagles27

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is the PES 13 demo the best PES game of the last 5 years? yes

is PES 13 as addicitve as what the PS2 games were? no its to robotic to be that good

if PES 13 gets released in the condition it is in the demo we have will it be a success? yes

if PES 13 gets released in the condition it is in the demo we have will it become an addiction something you must play everyday just like the ps2 days? no its good but its not that good

is PES 13 a FIFA beater? it might seem like it is heading that way right now. but im sure opinions will swing once the FIFA 13 demo comes out

Are people on these forums opinions of PES 13 over reactions? are they being way to over the top simply because this is the 1st time they have played a decent PES game in a long time?
 
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abu97

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SteEagles27 said:
is the PES 13 demo the best PES game of the last 5 years? yes

is PES 13 as addicitve as what the PS2 games were? no its to robotic to be that good

if PES 13 gets released in the condition it is in the demo we have will it be a success? yes

if PES 13 gets released in the condition it is in the demo we have will it become an addiction something you must play everyday just like the ps2 days? no its good but its not that good

is PES 13 a FIFA beater? it might seem like it is heading that way right now. but im sure opinions will swing once the FIFA 13 demo comes out

Are people on these forums opinions of PES 13 over reactions? are they being way to over the top simply because this is the 1st time they have played a decent PES game in a long time?
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