Questions from a (possibly) returning player

[shaun7]

This does not happen in Fifa online! Guess why

I'll guess on the truth. You know why? Because in Fifa it's not the team star rating that matters but speed and strength only AND many people do know that. So you know what they do? They pick up teams with a lower star rating but with fast wingers and a strong forward and you can guarantee a win. Why? Because the core game is based on those 2 attributes mostly (note, I said mostly). So a match scenario will play out like this:

Long pass to the fast winger (where your defender goes out of position and you can't do anything about it), he runs on the side (un catchable because of speed), a 90 degree sudden turn to face your goal and a finesse shot to a goal. Or the other one, where the big strong attacker just breaks defenders with his physicality while making me sick to my stomach seeing such BS. Strength does not mean that the striker can suddenly break down defences with dribbling just because he is strong.

So yeah, the community will ALWAYS ruin online experience especially when the players choose a different thing. In this case, teams.

 

[OCKRASS]

I'll guess on the truth. You know why? Because in Fifa it's not the team star rating that matters but speed and strength only AND many people do know that. So you know what they do? They pick up teams with a lower star rating but with fast wingers and a strong forward and you can guarantee a win. Why? Because the core game is based on those 2 attributes mostly (note, I said mostly). So a match scenario will play out like this:

Long pass to the fast winger (where your defender goes out of position and you can't do anything about it), he runs on the side (un catchable because of speed), a 90 degree sudden turn to face your goal and a finesse shot to a goal. Or the other one, where the big strong attacker just breaks defenders with his physicality while making me sick to my stomach seeing such BS. Strength does not mean that the striker can suddenly break down defences with dribbling just because he is strong.

So yeah, the community will ALWAYS ruin online experience especially when the players choose a different thing. In this case, teams.

:shocking:

Dude, you have said over and over again that you do not play Fifa.

Its fine to not like the game ..its your own prerogative..but

don't just come here and make some bulllshit scenario trying to make the game look bad. I have been playing Fifa since 09 and none of that sheeit that you just made has ever happened to me ..or anyone I know.

Biach Please :realmad:

 

[Sabatasso]

Or maybe Shaun just don't need to play a game for four years before he understand the underlying basics...

 

[shaun7]

Or maybe Shaun just don't need to play a game for four years before he understand the underlying basics...

Exactly

Ever year, the game changes on the outside, but the core remains the same, UNLESS they change the whole engine.

But I guess this is too technical for some people.

 

[IronCity]

This does not happen in Fifa online!

I would agree that when I play FIFA online there is a large diversity of teams I play against. Then again, there are a much, much larger set of teams to choose from.

But I have noticed a disappointing event recently of people boosting their teams. A few weeks ago I played against AC Milan with offense 99, midfield 99, defense 99. This guy could score with an early cross targeted to the head over and over. It was 5-0 in a few minutes. Of course I quit on him, the cheat. I should have quite before the game started when I saw that trips 99. What does he get out of that?

 

[OCKRASS]

I would agree that when I play FIFA online there is a large diversity of teams I play against. Then again, there are a much, much larger set of teams to choose from.

But I have noticed a disappointing event recently of people boosting their teams. A few weeks ago I played against AC Milan with offense 99, midfield 99, defense 99. This guy could score with an early cross targeted to the head over and over. It was 5-0 in a few minutes. Of course I quit on him, the cheat. I should have quite before the game started when I saw that trips 99. What does he get out of that?

Wow..

They do find these weird hacks online that catches you of guard at times. I would have quit at 3-0.

I learned my lesson when i beat a dude with a small team in Ultimate Team...he had all the big names but i defended with my life and countered in the last minute with Ronaldinho and scored.

He send congrats and asked me if i wanted him to copy a couple of my players for resale...i was ignorant and agreed.

He took all my defense including Maicon who i had just acquired for 25000 coins....

:crymore:

 

[Amateur]

:shocking:

Dude, you have said over and over again that you do not play Fifa.

Its fine to not like the game ..its your own prerogative..but

don't just come here and make some bulllshit scenario trying to make the game look bad. I have been playing Fifa since 09 and none of that sheeit that you just made has ever happened to me ..or anyone I know.

Biach Please :realmad:

Well I have played FIFA since 2000, and I do agree with Shaun, and furthermore, I know a lot of people who will agree with Shaun, so I think, if anyone is writing bullshit, it's you.

Ockrass you've always have a tendency for being extremely negative towards PES whilst at the same time being extremely positive towards FIFA, and when you do that (which is 99.9% of the time that you bother to use there forums), you clearly undermine the fact that both PES and FIFA work around the same dated D-PAD mechanics.

FIFA12 (and FIFA13 no doubt): ball carrier is running towards the north, then you suddenly direct the left analog stick towards the south *without* the assistance of any other button; reaction?

The ball carrier will automatically change the direction of his movements, will also automatically touch the ball towards the newly given direction, and will now be looking towards the south....

PES12 (and PES13 no doubt): ball carrier is running towards the north, then you suddenly direct the left analog stick towards the south *without* the assistance of any other button; reaction?

The ball carrier will automatically change the direction of his movements, will also automatically touch the ball towards the newly given direction, and will now be looking towards the south....

By merely directing the left analog stick *without* the assistance of any other button, you are simultaneously determining about six different factors.....

1st -- direction of dribbling: player touches the ball towards the given direction.

2nd -- direction of running: player starts running towards the given direction.

3rd -- direction of passing: player passes the ball towards the given direction.

4th -- direction of shooting: player passes the ball towards the given direction.

5th -- direction of eyesight: player is looking towards the given direction.

6th -- movement through space: player automatically moves towards the given direction.

I know this is not rocket science and I'm not pretending it is anything complicated, so I'm just going to assume that you do understand just how great of a limitation it is, when a system cannot even distinguish such fundamental things.

For as much as FIFA looks like a simulation on the outside, it still does not changes the fact that merely directing the left analog stick *without* the assistance of any other button will simultaneously determine about six different factors: PS1 era D-PAD mechanics.

An advanced system, would be one where by directing the left analog stick + tapping the L1 shoulder button, you get to determine the target of the pass, once you do this, the computer knows what you intend to do, and therefore the computer can alter the animations in accordance to your command: positioning your body in order to send a long ball, is not the same thing as positioning your body in order to shot at goal.

With both PES13 and FIFA13, you will get a system, where merely directing the left analog sick *without* the assistance of any other button, will simultaneously determine both the direction of the pass and the direction of the shot, and because the computer does not know what you intend to do, the computer cannot alter the animations, which is why it is necessary to have unrealistic arcade-like animations for both passing and shooting: as is the case with PES13, where the shooting animation is simply too quick to properly determine the power behind a shot.

This is why PES and FIFA have a lot of gimmicks: L2 button + left analog stick in order to perform "manual" passes (hey, how about not having to press the R2 button in order to send a manual pass?), L1 button + right analog stick in order to perform a couple of dribbling tricks, R2 button + left analog stick in order to perform simple dribbling, etc, etc. These gimmicks do little to improve the replay-value of the game, and at the end of the day, do not actually fix the fundamental flaws of the dated D-PAD system.

Bottom line: PES and FIFA are far too similar to objectively say that one is clearly better than the other, you have a right to your opinion of course, but you do look quite foolish when you try to refute blatant facts. What Shaun said has been the case since forever as far as FIFA is concerned, this can be proven via actual footage, if you still want to argue that you have never seen it happen.

 

[OCKRASS]

Well I have played FIFA since 2000, and I do agree with Shaun, and furthermore, I know a lot of people who will agree with Shaun, so I think, if anyone is writing bullshit, it's you.

Ockrass you've always have a tendency for being extremely negative towards PES whilst at the same time being extremely positive towards FIFA, and when you do that (which is 99.9% of the time that you bother to use there forums), you clearly undermine the fact that both PES and FIFA work around the same dated D-PAD mechanics.

FIFA12 (and FIFA13 no doubt): ball carrier is running towards the north, then you suddenly direct the left analog stick towards the south *without* the assistance of any other button; reaction?

The ball carrier will automatically change the direction of his movements, will also automatically touch the ball towards the newly given direction, and will now be looking towards the south....

PES12 (and PES13 no doubt): ball carrier is running towards the north, then you suddenly direct the left analog stick towards the south *without* the assistance of any other button; reaction?

The ball carrier will automatically change the direction of his movements, will also automatically touch the ball towards the newly given direction, and will now be looking towards the south....

By merely directing the left analog stick *without* the assistance of any other button, you are simultaneously determining about six different factors.....

1st -- direction of dribbling: player touches the ball towards the given direction.

2nd -- direction of running: player starts running towards the given direction.

3rd -- direction of passing: player passes the ball towards the given direction.

4th -- direction of shooting: player passes the ball towards the given direction.

5th -- direction of eyesight: player is looking towards the given direction.

6th -- movement through space: player automatically moves towards the given direction.

I know this is not rocket science and I'm not pretending it is anything complicated, so I'm just going to assume that you do understand just how great of a limitation it is, when a system cannot even distinguish such fundamental things.

For as much as FIFA looks like a simulation on the outside, it still does not changes the fact that merely directing the left analog stick *without* the assistance of any other button will simultaneously determine about six different factors: PS1 era D-PAD mechanics.

An advanced system, would be one where by directing the left analog stick + tapping the L1 shoulder button, you get to determine the target of the pass, once you do this, the computer knows what you intend to do, and therefore the computer can alter the animations in accordance to your command: positioning your body in order to send a long ball, is not the same thing as positioning your body in order to shot at goal.

With both PES13 and FIFA13, you will get a system, where merely directing the left analog sick *without* the assistance of any other button, will simultaneously determine both the direction of the pass and the direction of the shot, and because the computer does not know what you intend to do, the computer cannot alter the animations, which is why it is necessary to have unrealistic arcade-like animations for both passing and shooting: as is the case with PES13, where the shooting animation is simply too quick to properly determine the power behind a shot.

This is why PES and FIFA have a lot of gimmicks: L2 button + left analog stick in order to perform "manual" passes (hey, how about not having to press the R2 button in order to send a manual pass?), L1 button + right analog stick in order to perform a couple of dribbling tricks, R2 button + left analog stick in order to perform simple dribbling, etc, etc. These gimmicks do little to improve the replay-value of the game, and at the end of the day, do not actually fix the fundamental flaws of the dated D-PAD system.

Bottom line: PES and FIFA are far too similar to objectively say that one is clearly better than the other, you have a right to your opinion of course, but you do look quite foolish when you try to refute blatant facts. What Shaun said has been the case since forever as far as FIFA is concerned, this can be proven via actual footage, if you still want to argue that you have never seen it happen.

What ...:shocking:

Well mate.. whatever the furck you said above......i fully agree.

You win ..

:bravo:

PS...no need to reply.....no really...OK? :erm:

 

[Sabatasso]

ohhh.... OCKRASS is butthurt

 

[wheresmark]

:no:

That's the most retarded thing i have heard in my entire life.

So let me get this.....you get a chance to choose any team you like and you chose a shit team, your opponent chooses a team with a speed merchant and kicks your biach arsse......AND ITS HIS FAULT. :w00t

So why the furck didn't you choose the team with the speed merchant? Are you retarded? :shocking:

Well you may very well be ....or maybe you are living too close to a nuclear plant.

Turns out... it is really the fault of the game itself. PES Poor design leads to stuff like this....and many more

The online result....Barca vs Real Madrid 99% of the time.

You will need a speed demon to compete online ...and unfortunately they are only on those two teams. Guess who they are?


This does not happen in Fifa online! Guess why

PES's Motto "Same shit, different year"

No you nubin

Example -

I you put together a team on MLO, TEAM A; playing the balanced tactics, all great passing players and all of a skill of 88 upwards, i play a possession based simple passing game.

Then you play against a team, TEAM B; playing the speed tactics with Barretto, Mphela and other speed merchants with a tall striker etc, say there team averages 75 skill.

Team B shouldn't be able to just keep running down the wing and trying nothing else but doing that all game, trying the same tactic and still have a chance of winning.

Yes it's a flaw in the game that shouldn't be there, but also people shouldn't abuse it, and that unfortunately seems to be part of how a new generation of people behave (I'm guessing you can only win by deploying such cheap tactics aswell)

I could also, with my more expensive squad, sign really fast wingers like robben and ribery etc and turn on the speed card and use the same tactics over and over; down the wing down the wing, crossing or passing across the goal into an empty net or occasionally playing a slightly earlier pass for a speed merchant striker to run onto it.

The point is, I shouldn't have to play a certain way just because other people can only win once game. Yes this is a flaw in the game for sure, but it's the people who exploit it over and over because they can't win playing properly or are too lazy to learn how to play properly that spoil it.


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[Amateur]

What ...:shocking:

Well mate.. whatever the furck you said above......i fully agree.

You win ..

:bravo:

PS...no need to reply.....no really...OK? :erm:

You are a moron

No wonder you haven't seen the things that a normal human being would see after 10 minutes of play, your mind is switched off when you play the game (and if your writing is anything to go by, your mind is also switched off when you're not playing your fix). Oh well....

At least I put common sense out there, not my fault that morons like yourself can't comprehend common sense.

PS

I know I won, anybody would against an oxymoron like yourself.

 

[wallpaper_01]

I have not played the FIFA13 demo this year but I'm expecting more of the same like FIFA12. Played the PES13 demo and was not overly impressed either.

FIFA12 is terrible, thats all im saying it does not feel like real football at all, it LOOKS like a real game but plays really strange.

PES12 didnt look as realistic but played really well and was slower build ups, with less pressure on the ball so you could pass around at your leisure to build up play. The new one looks like it has improved on this, but just feeling like I want a bit more...

Will play FIFA13 to see what that is like!