What Effect Does Playing a Player Out of Position Have?

[Ali]

To clarify this, for example:

I have a RWF, who is rated at 79 at RWF. If I am to play him at RMF (a very similar postion of course), his overall drops to 69 (no snickering at the back!). So, up to now, if I do play this player, I will adjust the RMF position into an RWF so that he's playing at his max overall, but my question is... does it even make a difference on how the player plays during the match? Does it affect his attributes?

 

[who]

I believe so. I was playing ML with Milan and bought Januzaj. At first I put him as a right side midfielder/winger and he seemed to be slow, losing lots of balls and couldnt really go past defenders. I paid 15 million euros for him and his overall was pretty good, so I didnt understand what was causing that. Only then I saw that his overall was dropped a lot. Then I put him as attacking midfielder/playmaker and his original overall was back. The change was this. He scored 2 goals in 3 games, one crucial at the end of the game against Napoli. I was able to sprint somehow faster with him and actually barely anyone could stop him. (Was playing Top Player level) I would like to hear others experience about position changing though, since sometimes it might be not so obvious as with my Januzaj example. The other thing, lots of positions in PES are not assigned as in reality, so if you place your player in his proper position, you have huge drop in his overall. I guess I have to fix these in editing first and only then start playing.

 

[Ali]

Januzaj is quite versatile though isn't he? I had him on loan in my first season.

It's also a bit weird when a player has a better overall in a position which is not his default.

 

[Parkinfed]

I believe so. I was playing ML with Milan and bought Januzaj. At first I put him as a right side midfielder/winger and he seemed to be slow, losing lots of balls and couldnt really go past defenders. I paid 15 million euros for him and his overall was pretty good, so I didnt understand what was causing that. Only then I saw that his overall was dropped a lot. Then I put him as attacking midfielder/playmaker and his original overall was back. The change was this. He scored 2 goals in 3 games, one crucial at the end of the game against Napoli. I was able to sprint somehow faster with him and actually barely anyone could stop him. (Was playing Top Player level) I would like to hear others experience about position changing though, since sometimes it might be not so obvious as with my Januzaj example. The other thing, lots of positions in PES are not assigned as in reality, so if you place your player in his proper position, you have huge drop in his overall. I guess I have to fix these in editing first and only then start playing.

Does every player not perform badly for the first few games because their teamwork stat is low? I signed Van Buyten and he was always caught with his pants down in his first few games when his team work was low, got better with each game.

Also, if you edit a players position it has 2 options "B" and "C". Does it make any difference to their ability to play in that position as well?

 

[kn23m]

Overall have no impact on players performance - it was introduced on visual form only because "FIFA has it", but was there in the past too to help IA to decide which players to chose or in other words player who is RWF will play the same as RMF, because the skill set for those positions are mostly identical, but a 10 point overall drop is just because that AI don't play him in RMF or any other position over players lets say with 78, 77, 76, 75 overall in RMF as their favorite position and players don't complain about KONAMI's poor job making unrealistic football game, because AI teams play 10 out of 11 players out of position (extreme example)!!

 

[who]

Yeah, Januzaj is versatile, you can put him in many places. I didnt knew about teamwork stat, maybe it was the thing why he was doing poorly at the beginning and started spinning the game later. And it does make lots of sense to what kn23m wrote. I remember good old FIFA days when they had midfielders and attackers playing as goalkeepers during career mode. Good thing it doesnt happen anymore.

 

[Ali]

Does every player not perform badly for the first few games because their teamwork stat is low?

Not necessarily. I've had players getting hattricks on their debut.... but maybe that's just because I'm amazingly good at the game. :smug:

Also, if you edit a players position it has 2 options "B" and "C". Does it make any difference to their ability to play in that position as well?

Each position will have a rating for each player. 'A' being the highest and 'C' being the lowest. If you go into Edit mode, you can see this. This effects their rating at a position. For example, a ST will (most likely) have a CB rating of 'C', so their overall drops a large amount if you play them at CB. They may have a 'B' rating at SS, so in that position the overall only drops a small amount etc etc.

Overall have no impact on players performance - it was introduced on visual form only because "FIFA has it", but was there in the past too to help IA to decide which players to chose or in other words player who is RWF will play the same as RMF, because the skill set for those positions are mostly identical, but a 10 point overall drop is just because that AI don't play him in RMF or any other position over players lets say with 78, 77, 76, 75 overall in RMF as their favorite position and players don't complain about KONAMI's poor job making unrealistic football game, because AI teams play 10 out of 11 players out of position (extreme example)!!

Hmmmm.... well in that case I'm playing Zouma up front. He's a fucking beast! :w00t

 

[paul2478]

As long as the player is rated A or B for that position then it is basically none, the OVR was just introduced as one of those stupid things to make the game more accessible to new players. It is calculated by ratings for certain stats depending on position with a penalty imposed if the player is rated B or C for that position.

The only time it will make any difference is in positioning, so if you take a player who is rated C for CB & play him there then his positioning will be worse than a player with exactly the same stats who is rated A or B for CB. All his other abilities will be exactly the same though

 

[Rat Monkey]

The overall is a basic guide is it not? Konami have attributes I think that they feel are important for some positions, so the the overall is adjusted based on that. I play players out of position all the time in Arsenals defense, nothing new in reality this year ha, as they're short and the accumulated fatigue forces your hand. I look at the attributes I find important for a position when playing players out of position and I haven't had any real problems I've noticed, even though the overall goes down. It doesn't affect any attributes doing this, at least that I've noticed.

I've never noticed the teamwork stat, but maybe thats only important in myClub? I only play league mode or online competitions.

 

[rebelinho]

The difference is VERY BIG.

It has mostly to do with two aspects: playing styles and tatics. For example: Schurrle is marked as a "Hole Player". If you check here you'll see Hole Players run towards the oppopsition goal when attacking. Not a target man, not a midfielder, great as a winger. I play Schurrle as LWF and it is a blast. Best scorer in the League, 15 games in.

If you have a Classic No 10 and play it on the sides (kinda like Silva, Nasri, Quintero, Óliver Torres, etc), they will play badly. They don't know how to behave. They are supposed to go in the middle, behind the strikers, and wait. Don't expect them to defend much either.

Finally... The blank ones. These are least affected if played in a position that does not suit their style. They are more affected by...

Tatics and tactical awareness. This is perhaps even more important. Even in PES2013 this was the difference between losing or giving hell to the opposition. Example: Neymar as a LWF, or as a LMF. As a winger he does what wingers do: runs by the line, and either crosses or goes in (Neymar is more propense to be an Inside Forward) to goal. If he is played as a LMF... he won't go until the goal line. He won't go by the side line. He will play more like a... midfielder. Going around the middle, a little more to the left, but hardly to the point of seeing him running behind the opposition defenders.

Another example, this time with both: I was in need of a RWF (I play in a WM formation. Ahhhh, the memories.... ), bought Harriott (go see this guy... speechless), he was shite by that time, bought Adama Traoré, another bad call, bought regen Salpingidis, made a few games. And then I found Fischer. I had already bought Andersen back when I still played in 4-2-3-1 for the AMF role, and back then he was already good. Now he was a god. So I bought him. He is marked as SS, but I played him RWF nonetheless. Complete rubbish. Even seemed like he didn't want to run. Long story short, 10 games later I sold Quintero, and instead of buying another AMF I adapated the tatic slighty to use Fischer as SS. It did wonders. In half the games he scored FIVE times the goals, and assisted almost TEN times more.

In summary: don't buy players because they're good, buy players that suit your needs/tatics/style of play.

 

[Rat Monkey]

The difference is VERY BIG.

It has mostly to do with two aspects: playing styles and tatics. For example: Schurrle is marked as a "Hole Player". If you check here you'll see Hole Players run towards the oppopsition goal when attacking. Not a target man, not a midfielder, great as a winger. I play Schurrle as LWF and it is a blast. Best scorer in the League, 15 games in.

If you have a Classic No 10 and play it on the sides (kinda like Silva, Nasri, Quintero, Óliver Torres, etc), they will play badly. They don't know how to behave. They are supposed to go in the middle, behind the strikers, and wait. Don't expect them to defend much either.

Finally... The blank ones. These are least affected if played in a position that does not suit their style. They are more affected by...

Tatics and tactical awareness. This is perhaps even more important. Even in PES2013 this was the difference between losing or giving hell to the opposition. Example: Neymar as a LWF, or as a LMF. As a winger he does what wingers do: runs by the line, and either crosses or goes in (Neymar is more propense to be an Inside Forward) to goal. If he is played as a LMF... he won't go until the goal line. He won't go by the side line. He will play more like a... midfielder. Going around the middle, a little more to the left, but hardly to the point of seeing him running behind the opposition defenders.

Another example, this time with both: I was in need of a RWF (I play in a WM formation. Ahhhh, the memories.... ), bought Harriott (go see this guy... speechless), he was shite by that time, bought Adama Traoré, another bad call, bought regen Salpingidis, made a few games. And then I found Fischer. I had already bought Andersen back when I still played in 4-2-3-1 for the AMF role, and back then he was already good. Now he was a god. So I bought him. He is marked as SS, but I played him RWF nonetheless. Complete rubbish. Even seemed like he didn't want to run. Long story short, 10 games later I sold Quintero, and instead of buying another AMF I adapated the tatic slighty to use Fischer as SS. It did wonders. In half the games he scored FIVE times the goals, and assisted almost TEN times more.

In summary: don't buy players because they're good, buy players that suit your needs/tatics/style of play.

I must take a look at this. Are you talking about the kind of cards that describe the type of player, e.g. "Box to box", "Fox in the box"?

 

[rebelinho]

Yes, but they are not called cards. Those are the Supersub, Long Throw, Mid Shooting, etc. These are called Playing Styles. Just to have it right

 

[Rat Monkey]

Yes, but they are not called cards. Those are the Supersub, Long Throw, Mid Shooting, etc. These are called Playing Styles. Just to have it right

Yeah, I wasn't sure. I must take a better look at this. I certainly use fluid formations and team instructions, while looking at players attributes for positions. Didn't realise the playing styles had such an impact. Cheers.

 

[Ali]

It's easy enough to slightly alter your formation.

I essentially play a 4-4-2/4-3-3 hybrid of sorts, with the right and left mids pushed forward. Depending on which players I play, I alter these players to either an AM, or a WF, or an SS. For example, my default is Villalba on the left, and Iturbe on the right. I have Iturbe as a RMF, and a push Villalba up a bit and give him the SS role. If I start the RWF that I mentioned in my first post, I'll push the RMF forward to RWF, and move Villalba back and slightly inwards so I can give him an AMF position in roughly the same area of the pitch. If I play Bakkali on the left, and Moore (my RWF) on the right, I'll move Bakkali down to LMF. If I play Bakkali and Iturbe, I'll push either one forward, depending on who has the better form arrow.

Sometimes if I'm feeling extra adventurous, I'll move one of my CM's forward to an AMF role...... fuck defending .

So, the players' positions on the pitch are roughly the same, but their positonal roles vary. I do this with my strikers too. Talisca is best as an SS, so that's what I have his role as when I play him, but I'll change it to a regular ST role with other players.

It's a lot of faffing around but it does the job.

 

[rebelinho]

And now that we lost the good, old, and super fast game plan changing method of PES2013, it takes even more time

 

[floWError]

If you have a Classic No 10 and play it on the sides (kinda like Silva, Nasri, Quintero, Óliver Torres, etc), they will play badly. They don't know how to behave. They are supposed to go in the middle, behind the strikers, and wait. Don't expect them to defend much either.

But doesn't Nasri always play wide for Man City in real life?

 

[rebelinho]

But doesn't Nasri always play wide for Man City in real life?

Yes, same as Brahimi for Porto. But I'm almost sure that if you ask them were they want to play, the answer would be in the middle.

It was just an example, but yes, it might have been poorly chosen.

 

[OR_drummerboi]

makes a difference. Using spurs in ML.
I also have shurrle. I play a 4-2-3-1, and plug him in on the left wing. His pace makes him very effective on the wing but i never put him down the middle because he would be less effective. He gets so many crosses into the box a game, a great buy.
my AMF are isco,eriksen and dembele. I have to rotate who plays the amf role because there are all at there best down the middle. rarely ill play one of them on the right wing.

On a side note: i have a great team but im looking for a striker to replace soldado. A bigger striker like dzeko or giroud. Any suggestions

 

[rebelinho]

On a side note: i have a great team but im looking for a striker to replace soldado. A bigger striker like dzeko or giroud. Any suggestions

After three seasons:

 

[OR_drummerboi]

After three seasons:

how did I forget about him. I was about to try and get bony but lukaku is what im looking for.