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Do you guys replay the game when u feel cheated?

shaun7

Registered User
Everyone moans that the game is to easy etc but as soon as they lose they reset the game to make sure they win the game.

Doesnt matter if you think you deserve to win if you dont score u obviously dont deserve to win.

Go watch Liverpool -v- Arsenal in the FA Cup final........did Arsenal ask for a replay because they deserved to win but lost?

Anyone who resets the game because they lose and think they deserve to win are obviously not real football fans.

If you lose deal with it and try to win the next game, makes it more fun if u can actually lose a game instead of winning every single one all the time

Bet your the type of people who only go barca / inter online as well!

True and I agree with this but the game just cheats to win. And i never accept cheating because that's unrealistic aswell.
In BAL especially. The AI sometiems play too well and their top speed is too good even if it's only 70.
I can't accept that because it's unrealistic.
 

CapnKill

Registered User
True and I agree with this but the game just cheats to win. And i never accept cheating because that's unrealistic aswell.
In BAL especially. The AI sometiems play too well and their top speed is too good even if it's only 70.
I can't accept that because it's unrealistic.

How do you know their speed is only 70? The conditioning arrows alter your statistics.

Ok I'm not saying the AI doesn't do funny things when its losing. Yes I've had defenders try to run away from the ball in certain situations or I've had my GK take horrible angles when I use the triangle button, or in one instance my GK actually ran away from the ball.

But my question is... how do you differentiate between a cheat and a legit AI goal? I mean, my first reaction whenever I get scored on by the AI is to call BS! If I followed that up I'd be restarting every game I get scored on.... Its the AI, you're going to figure it out sooner or later... these little quirks are its only way of leveling the playing field sort of speak.

But for the most part you are in full control. Even when I can feel the AI trying to tug my defender away from the cross, I can still click on and over power it and make the play... I don't think there's any scenario that you can't prevent. I've n ever seen the AI score a goal where I was completely helpless (except FKs).

ON the FK matter, yes I would say the AI cheats. I can usually guarantee you that if I"m winning and give the AI a FK close to the box that its going to score....lesson there being, don't give up FKs close to the box.

So in conclusion, I don't want to sound liek I'm saying that anyone who restarts a local AI game will disco an on-line game when loosing, because obviously that is not always the case. So I didn't mean to offend by generalizing, I take that back.

And obviously its your game, you paid $$ for it so what you do with it is your business, so once again I don't want to judge like that.

I will finsih this with a response to the initial question, which is "No" for me. I do not mainly because I don't feel like anything the AI does is out of my control, so if I focus hard enough, I simply don't give up goals. If I give up a goal while I'm focusing and on my game, then the AI has bested me, either in a personal mismatch or a tactic that I did not see coming.
 

scouse_god

Registered User
so if i play a game, dominate it for the whole game but just cant score.....the computer breaks away last minute and scores, i can reset the game and justify it by saying "the computer must be cheating because i couldnt score"

The computer doesnt cheat, its not human, it can be scripted to do certain things but it cant cheat and think for itself, people who quit games are (as others have said) the same people who leave online games because they are losing

Face facts that your not as good at the game as you hope, you will lose games, its a way of life, its a way of real life

My comment about real football fans still stands, ANY real football fan knows that no matter how much they dominate a game it doesnt mean they will win it (unless you support Man U currently where they are just too good for anyone), i go back to my 2001 Liverpool - Arsenal FA Cup final.....this is the perfect example of a team deserving to win and dominating ending up losing a game

If your going to play the game, be ready to lose a few and dont blame cheating etc blame the fact that you didnt score.

Im sure loads will reply with "but the computer cheats" as i said, its not human it cant cheat!

Anyone who resets a game after losing isnt playing the game properly.

I hope i never meet any of you online who do this as im sure you would leave the game as soon as i was 3-0 up (cue people saying how good they are and they would beat me online)
 

shaun7

Registered User
How do you know their speed is only 70? The conditioning arrows alter your statistics.

I check it from Edit mode first. Or check it after I finish a game in BAL OR ML.

But my question is... how do you differentiate between a cheat and a legit AI goal? I mean, my first reaction whenever I get scored on by the AI is to call BS! If I followed that up I'd be restarting every game I get scored on.... Its the AI, you're going to figure it out sooner or later... these little quirks are its only way of leveling the playing field sort of speak.
As I said. You can tell a cheat from a legit goal. The speed, shot, and your DF control will suddenly be out of control (happens on all pes games) and they will score no matter what, even if your GK saves it, it goes to a rebound. That's what I don't like. I can tell when they are about to score.
When they want to score:
I miss every shot (even placed ones)
My team will go slow
They will start to pass bady
and then
The opponent starts to run better, pass alot and score every opportunity and gets every rebound.
I can tell that this is about to happen.
That's the cheat I don't like.
 

The Eristic

Registered User
As I said. You can tell a cheat from a legit goal. The speed, shot, and your DF control will suddenly be out of control (happens on all pes games) and they will score no matter what, even if your GK saves it, it goes to a rebound.

Or 30-yard weak grounders that your team just cannot block or intercept, and which will inevitably roll through the keeper's legs as he tries to needlessly kick save off the line while under no pressure (or, sometimes, just plain falls flat on his back because, well, um, because).
 

wilsybill

Registered User
I played in a French League recently and replayed a match with St Etienne 5 times!

Each of the first four times the computer scored between 20 and 25 mins with a corner OR a penalty given away by a defender I wasn't controlling. I'd equalise in the second half but they'd score everytime in stoppage time. I thought fook that!!!! I replayed it until I got a 0-0 draw.
 

dicky_t

Registered User
Everyone moans that the game is to easy etc but as soon as they lose they reset the game to make sure they win the game.

Doesnt matter if you think you deserve to win if you dont score u obviously dont deserve to win.

Go watch Liverpool -v- Arsenal in the FA Cup final........did Arsenal ask for a replay because they deserved to win but lost?

Anyone who resets the game because they lose and think they deserve to win are obviously not real football fans.

If you lose deal with it and try to win the next game, makes it more fun if u can actually lose a game instead of winning every single one all the time

Bet your the type of people who only go barca / inter online as well!

abseloutley spot on ,if you reset then your mentally not tough enough ,and no its not about accepting defeat either ,you have to be prepared to concentrate and fight for every chance and earn victory even against sides you feel you will destroy,i know a goal conceeded from a corner or a free kick is hard to take and does feel scripted but if the computer laid down and let it beat it ,you would be playing fifa

and ps scouse dont know if you noticed but if you win 20 straight league games on master league it ups a level
 

honketonk

Registered User
I just hate it when the Computer slides for you and it gets you a Red Card and espicially when it is someone really important for your team!
 

dicky_t

Registered User
what u mean it ups a level???

i dont play masters league anyway so wouldnt have a clue

when you play and win 20 straight league games the 21st game does not make any mistakes ,and it doesnt matter what the 21st game is tho ,it could be cup league or european ,ive had it a few times thats how i noticed it ,soon as it comes on pes shop window 20 in a row ,it turns into an animal and beefs it self up for the next game ,its almost as intense as playing online

it happens on three stages 5 ,10 ,20 although 5 & 10 are not as good as 20 ,the computer really goes at you ,ok if its just a league game but if its a euro against teams like man u or barcelona who play open ,your lucky to scrape a draw

the downside is it only lasts for 1 game
 

scouse_god

Registered User
i think what they need to do is make the computer more attacking, usually playing the computer doesnt really run or attack that much and it ends up me just attacking all the time

if they made the computer actually sprint an make runs, turns etc etc would be so much better
 

Meldeath

Registered User
Well, just a question for you, scouse_god, then. I'm not gonna elaborate on my excuses for replaying a game. You know what your standpoint is, I know my reasons for replaying games, if any. I'm just gonna tell you, that I have recorded games like losing 0:4 to Liverpool in semi-final 2nd leg on my turf, being kicked out of the tournament after having 3:0 cushion from the first leg. I have a game recorded lost against Portsmouth 0:1 after an own goal by my defender in the stoppage time. And yes, I was dominating that game from the very beginning.

My question is about your point of view on a situation after which I conceded that goal. You're saying AI can't cheat, so do you think it's a glitch, code mistake, or what? Here's the situation: While dribbling, you can use super cancel anytime to run away from the ball. Right after pushing it forward, just before getting to it etc. So why can't you use super cancel to run away with a defender (while the GK is closer to the ball), when the ball is rolling against your goalline, during like 8 steps of the aforementioned defender? I used super cancel, tried to change the direction of the defender and still he made that 8 or so steps and just before the GK threw himself on the ground to catch the ball the defender kicked it into the net, falling there himself shortly after?

And well, I've decided to tell you one more time about me playing others. I can't tell much, because I haven't played online, but I have two brothers - one better in the game than me, one worse. The better one cracked me up 3:8 when I was playing Inter and he was playing Liverpool. Inter is better in the game, right? And when I was using my ML team I got 6:6 draw. I know that happens in games with a living opponent. When playing against my worse brother, I usually end up winning having 2-3 goals cushion, my ML defaults against his Arsenal. And then, the next game I'm using Valencia, him Atletico Madrid and I get beaten 1:3. Didn't kill him with the pad, didn't swear, didn't call him a cheater. It just happened. I know it does.
 
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Dale C.

Registered User
Man, I used to do this all the time when I was younger, but nowadays I've learnt to control my rage and take it like a man...

After all teams lose games, its a part of football.
 

scouse_god

Registered User
Its a game, if u are resetting it every time u lose because of "cheating" your always gonna decide the computer is cheating and reset all the games

If you lose 1-0 by an amazing goal you will still reset it saying "keeper should of saved it" and think you was cheated out of that game as well

You lost a game, deal with it and try to win the next game.....resetting it is just cheating, and your complainin about the computer cheating? Can you be a hypocrite against a computer??

If it really was scripted why would the result change the next time you play? If you lose 2-0 and feel cheated, if the game was scripted surely the next time you play exactly the same thing should happen...im guessing it doesnt and you win the enxt time and you happily carry on with the game thinking you deserved the win.
 

Meldeath

Registered User
To clear things up: I'm not resetting every lost game. Those two I described were saved after. No problem. And they weren't the only ones.

I've never reset a game after conceding one goal. I can deal with losing games, else I won't be playing the game at all, I would of gave up a loooong time ago. There were times where I lost like 0:3 after conceding goals which I couldn't prevent because of holes in the code or w/e, replayed it and still lost, carried on regardless. That's the first thing to remember, my calendar has some X-es in it. Of course it does, it's not fun for me to get a perfect season after reloading every reset game. Unless you understand it, there's nothing we can talk about. And I know you will.

Since I don't like fighting windmills, and I would bet my money on you don't like it either, I'll not respond anymore in this thread. I stated my opinion on reloading some games and it was the main point of the thread. Cya on the other topics.
 

martyl2

Registered User
What is the point in restarting a game? To be fair if you are of the opinion that it is scripted, how do you suggest the cpu play to score goals?
 

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