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What?!! :shocking: That's what I've said all along you complete and utter fool, you can look at it from a PES point of view or a FIFA point of view, either way it's the same thing! I merely looked at it from FIFA point of view. Seriously, what does it take to get through your thick head? Is it...

Next time you should confirm that you are being sarcastic, it's an internet forum for heavens sake I am not a mind reader, you mutated smelly elephant tranny from the future. My comment was not stupid, only an ignorant, miserable prick like yourself would perceive that as stupid and besides, you...

Yep vice versa too. It's not just the presentation though, FIFA has over 620 teams, 30 leagues and 15,000 players as well as 'Be a Pro' mode...

It's all important though for the overall gaming experience isn't it? A game that's presented well and plays well is a shit-hot game, although yes I agree the latter is more important without a doubt.

There's nothing wrong with comparing the two games, as long as there is no biasness and it's a balanced comparison.

I've not played FIFA 08 yet but intend to download it soon and run the rule over it for myself. A couple of things you said in your review have been said about FIFA before, such as the later versions not even being anywhere near as good as the old PES versions. From what I've read about FIFA 08...

I disagree because it works with me. I only ever use one formation and if they suss out one piece of play there are plenty of other ways to get at them anyway. Teamvision will be more problematic for people with set ways of playing but if you can mix it up it's not a problem.

Please stop saying you brought your Fifa 08 all I can picture is you carrying the feckin thing in your GAME bag. lol. Will be interesting to hear what you think of the game later on.

Having multiple formations is the way to do it, but if you insisted on using just one formation, certainly get at them early and force the advantage before they've adapted. I suppose it helps to mix your play up too, like if you only played down the flanks then you'd be stuck for options when...

Nice one, I have added that time patch and it is there. It's so subtle though, kind of creeps into the nature of play, genius really. Maybe this is why the guys of OPM didn't notice it happening. This is really cool.

'TeamVision' is controversial to say the least. I just read a review of PES2008 in Official Playstation Magazine, and they say they haven't seen any evidence of this Teamvision thing at all.

I have read OFB's original post and quite frankly it seems perfectly reasonable to me and he didn't warrant being called a 'whiny, whiny little bitch'.

Owen is a 'C' for injury tolerance in PES6. God I'm such a geek.

I remember playing the demo of Soul Reaver once and it was rubbish compared to the full game, so yeah you can never read too much into demos. As for the penalties, I've never rated them in PES. They had it sorted with ISS 64, where you had a little cross-hair thingy and power bar, I prefer that...

Cheers, I'll wait until PES 2008 is officially released and do that bundle job then. I know people who are out buying PS3's now ready for PES but I don't know why they can't hang on for a few weeks and save some cash. I think bundles are shit if you can't choose what games you want with it...

Who does these bundles GE? They sound the cheapest bundles I have heard of.

The positives definitely outweigh the negatives in your review, which is nice. I'm particularly glad to read that they've sorted that annoying thing out with defenders being able to somehow always match you for speed, that really spoiled PES6 imo. I don't know whether to buy the PS2 version or...

It was my intention to present it as a standard formation. I just presented this as an example of the canvas from which I currently work from. I'm interested to see what standard formations/player roles people like to base their game upon. I thought this might compliment the Advanced Formation...

I tinker loads but at the moment I'm liking a 4-3-3 (see below). What is your current favourite formation? -----------GK--------- -RB----CB----CB----LB ----------DMF--------- --------------CMF----- ------AMF------------- ---RWF----CF----LWF-- Basically the Chelsea formation from Pes5...

Oh and I'm sure we'll have no problems patching (eventually). This is always said about new consoles but someone always manages to find a way, and patching is a popular thing these days. Toffee