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well some people are just so stubborn. Either that or they are blind. If you were to compare PES 5 or PES 6 with fifa 2005, it would be a no brainer that pes was far better. You are in denial if you stil think that.

what is your definitive verdict? I was on here saying Pro Evo has gone downhill whereas Fifa 09 is the game to buy 2 months ago. Many of you thought I was a fanboy, etc. I based by judgement on the demos and videos. Even then, so many of you were in denial that pes is no longer the no.1...

yes but ever thought about changing the camera and zooming in??? That way, the players wont look like midgets... Fact is, more people have bought fifa than pes this year and that says everything.

so rooney and higuin arent professionals? They played fifa 09 which was advertised in a PL game some weeks ago. Both games are played by professionals and people who watch real football you mup pet.

awww how mature of you. I should have just waited to see how many posts before a pes fanboy decides to write an intelligent reply.

luckily pes fans aren't in charge of this country, we do live in a democratric country thank god ;)

you're on the wrong forum for a neutral opinion OP. PES has shown no improvements since the days of pes 5 or 6 on the ps3. Yes, they have made CHANGES, but they arent IMPROVEMENTS. Fifa has made HUGE IMPROVEMENTS and only fanboys can deny that fifa 09 is not the best football game out there...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVpoAQxNC8M No improvement, same dodgy keepers, you can still take on half the team and score, players all look identical from the camera view, ball sticks to the ground, can see no improvement from what it was like on ps2, in fact, it was better on ps2. The...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wZC_VdJPNc ronaldo free kick, just like in real life.

lol, i swear the pes demo is actually a slower pace than fifa 09 lol! There's also 3 different speeds in fifa 09, slow being the speed it was in fifa 08, so that argument fails. And I dont get your point about the game being a sim. Isnt that a good thing. I'd rather play a simulation than an...

lfcboy, so i take it you have made a survey already of the entire world then.

just been playing fifa 09 and all i can say is wow. The live update is so realistic. Spurs are terrible to play as at the moment. Gameplay is superb, players play like their reali life counterparts and it simply is breathtaking. Won't be long for a pes fan to call me a fanboy.

the players are too small is where i stopped reading. You do know that there are various different camera views??? ie. dynamic v2 which is the one I use.

sorry but watch a game of football and then play pes 08, in no way does it resemble real football. Either play pes 5 or pes 6 or fifa 09 on next gen.

lol

sorry but tricks are easy as fuck. How on earth can you find it difficult?It's like using the right analogue to do a 360 spin in pes. Except there's so many tricks and combos. It'ss not supposed to be so easy to be able to pull it off every time as in real life, you need to practise...

why are you comparing pc? have you not heard of ps3/xbox? They're totally different games. so FAIL

i could understand if you liked pro evo 5/6 beter than fifa, but pro evo 2008? that was garbage!

miggy, but you could say it was an opinion when pro evo 6 used to be miles better than fifa was. I think it has got to the stage where fifa is already better than pes and if pes doesnt come up with something innovative in 2010, it will be even bigger.

i think too many pro evo fans are going by the fifa of old. Fifa pre 08 was awful. You have got to try it to like it!